06-11-2017, 10:07 AM
Juliette become a "toxic person" just as Alicia' s husband was.
Nick had nothing to do with it. Nor their actions.
Nick had nothing to do with it. Nor their actions.
06-11-2017, 10:07 AM
Juliette become a "toxic person" just as Alicia' s husband was.
Nick had nothing to do with it. Nor their actions.
06-11-2017, 10:37 AM
Hexenbiest Juliette did become toxic at the end of S4, not because she was a hexenbiest but because of her actions when she felt slighted by Nick and the group.
06-11-2017, 10:50 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-11-2017, 10:56 AM by dicappatore.)
(06-11-2017, 10:06 AM)irukandji Wrote:(06-11-2017, 09:56 AM)dicappatore Wrote:(06-11-2017, 06:19 AM)irukandji Wrote:(06-11-2017, 03:00 AM)dicappatore Wrote: Here is an in-depth analysis to support my assessment of the Juliette character and her drive to INFIDELITY. Sorry but I have to disagree. You do not have to be married or engaged to be cheating. If you are emotional connected to each other, living with each other and not dating others you have made a choice to be monogamous in that relationship. Once you step out of that, you are cheating. As for Nick and Adalind? He never had eyes for her most part. Even after he is told that she is having his baby. And afterwards he was still hesitant to get emotional involved with Adalind. He was just trying to protect his baby. He was also hesitant to bed Juliette when she transformed into Adalind to get him his Grimm back. Until he realized he was the father of her baby which was conceived in her Juliette transformation, he was still looking to kill her for what she did to Him, Hank and Juliette. But Juliette sexual endeavors out of that relationship could never be justified. After she tells Nick she is a Hexenbiest, Can you justify why she moves out. Moves in with Sean and then bangs one out with him? (06-11-2017, 10:50 AM)dicappatore Wrote: Sorry but I have to disagree. You do not have to be married or engaged to be cheating. If you are emotional connected to each other, living with each other and not dating others you have made a choice to be monogamous in that relationship. Once you step out of that, you are cheating. Well, here's the issue I have with Nick on the so called cheating issue. On a couple of occasions, he's been given a get out of jail free card when he cheated. And I am using your definition of cheating here. Take the muse. Now it was never specifically stated, but it was implied he cheated with the muse. I believe there was some comment somewhere about him wearing the same clothes the next day. Hmmm... Yet.....that wasn't cheating because he was under the control of the muse via her kiss. Uh.......okay. Then there was Henrietta who waltzed right up to him and laid a big one on him. Now Nick responded immediately, and would have gone to bed with her, had Henrietta taken it further. Yet.......he wasn't cheating because Henrietta was manipulating him. As a hexenbiest, she can do that. Uh........okay. Now Adalind confessed to Rosalee about the control a hexenbiest spirit exerts on its host. Rosalee listens and doesn't come back with some outlandish answer like, "Oh, sure Adalind. You're just embracing the hexenbiest". Instead she seems to believe what Adalind says. Juliette not only gets a hexenbiest, but a very, very powerful hexenbiest. Yet.........there is no get out of jail card for Juliette. She's considered a slut, a cheat, murderer, rag, whatever name she can be called. And...oh yeah, she embraced the hexenbiest, whatever that means, so it's her fault. There's a *HUGE* double standard when it comes to Nick. Here's another issue I have with this so-called emotional connection to one another. A woman's view of love is different than that of a man's. Nick says he loves Juliette, but his love for her may not be as binding as her love for him. That's the way it is. So until they're married and actually have a bond that is the same for him as it is for her, they're free to leave each other at any time.
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06-11-2017, 11:09 AM
(06-11-2017, 11:00 AM)irukandji Wrote:(06-11-2017, 10:50 AM)dicappatore Wrote: Sorry but I have to disagree. You do not have to be married or engaged to be cheating. If you are emotional connected to each other, living with each other and not dating others you have made a choice to be monogamous in that relationship. Once you step out of that, you are cheating. I agree with you irukandji
All the way Nickliette for ever
06-11-2017, 11:27 AM
(06-11-2017, 11:09 AM)Tara Wrote:(06-11-2017, 11:00 AM)irukandji Wrote:(06-11-2017, 10:50 AM)dicappatore Wrote: Sorry but I have to disagree. You do not have to be married or engaged to be cheating. If you are emotional connected to each other, living with each other and not dating others you have made a choice to be monogamous in that relationship. Once you step out of that, you are cheating. Thanks, Tara!
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06-11-2017, 11:54 AM
(06-11-2017, 03:00 AM)dicappatore Wrote: Here is an in-depth analysis to support my assessment of the Juliette character and her drive to INFIDELITY. Oh crap, I think, I am the wrong person who should have read this posting ... I am a big Juliette fan and now I'll tell you my opinion. And I really try to keep my control and be friendly in writing. The Things with Feathers, If Nick had been honest with her immediately, she would probably not have rejected his proposal. Would you like to marry someone who isn't honest with you? Who had keept a secret from you and doesn't want to let you know? Trial by Fire and Bad Luck copied subjects - because I doesn't wanted to write this all over again. Juliette show him her new her and Nick turn away of her in disgust, sure he was shocked to see Juliette like that - but at the first decisive moment he left her alone. It's a little bit complicated Nick the ( Grimm ) Juliette the ( Hexenbiest ) so to say as ( enemies ) sure they were in a long term relationship but it's not easy for both either. I can only guess but I think maybe it was a short circuit reaction of Juliette as well as Nick. After that Juliette stood crosswise and thought that Nick does not want her anymore. Nick saw afterwards that he made a mistake and tried to contact her. Juliette, on the other hand, I can also understand too. Why should she talk to him when he has turned away from her in disgust. Double Date - Where else should she go, instead of Sean? Why should she enjoy it to be with Sean? It's wasn't her fault back then - do you remember why she and Sean was interested in each other? And to be honest it's not proven, that Juliette and Sean did sleep together - was it? I don't think so. Headache - She sleept before with Kenneth and not afterwards. I don't want to approve everything she did - but you go a way to far with your accusations. And I have not annotate all the points you have put on your list.
06-11-2017, 11:56 AM
(06-11-2017, 11:54 AM)Juliette Wrote:(06-11-2017, 03:00 AM)dicappatore Wrote: Here is an in-depth analysis to support my assessment of the Juliette character and her drive to INFIDELITY. Agree, that is the same as I was thinking Juliette : )
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06-11-2017, 12:26 PM
And then the thread goes into a bunch of statements about Juliette hatred, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I get it.
What I don't get is you already have started a thread on your hatred of Juliette. So why are you going through it again ad nauseum under a thread title of "Did Juliette suppress her immortality"? What does Juliette suppressing her immortality have anything to do with you ranting on about how much you hate her? Not a thing as far as I can read. [/quote] The reason for the two post is in the title. The hate post is on why I hate the character. Due to the payback going too far. Hurting others, a lot more that how she was hurt. Case and point, what did her neighbors do to her to end up dead for her to get revenge on Nick. As for the post on infidelity, is just an observation on her inner self coming out after removing moral restrictions. I grant, you, I listed some of the same observations in both treads. But if I hated all the people that I know of in my life that have cheated on their partners in the real world I would be left with probably half of my friends and acquaintances. As not to repeat myself. Juliet was cheating on Nick way before she became the victim [/quote] Thanks for the explanation. My take on Nick and Juliette's relationship has been this. Juliette has no ties to Nick other than they live together and thus, are playing house together. Is it really cheating then if she dallies with another guy? I'd say no. Now....consider Nick. He was ogling Adalind after he bought the engagement ring for Juliette. I have a feeling he was thinking of more than just how pretty she was. In other words, he'd like to boink her. If he was married, that would be emotional cheating. As there are no ties between him and Juliette *despite* having the engagement ring in his pocket, no harm no foul. [/quote] You two, irukandij and Tara have an upside-down interpretation of cheating. Fist, crossing the line with a kiss is lot less than having all out intercourse. If you two think it’s the same, Well? OK let say it is in whatever world you live in, whether be a man or a woman. Second, all the cheating you mention Nick was involved in was done by spell and control of the other partner, Muse, Ariel or Adalind looking like Juliette not of his own free will. As for Juliette, her transgressions were all done by herself including as a Hexenbiest since she was one of the same and still had free will. When she beds Sean or Kenneth, neither had taken control of her actions. WTF, Sean was looking to throw her out of his place before she jumped his bone. And I don’t recall Nick ever bringing anyone to bang out in the same bed he slept with Juliette like she did with Kenneth. What do you two attributes to those facts? Women love men differently? Her Hexenbiest? Another person in her? Wake up you two! Like all the other Wesen, being one is a part of yourself not a possession of your body and mind. Again, my conclusions were that the Hexenbiest brought out her real persona and she enjoyed it. As for nick, he only bedded Adalind of free will is after his relation with Juliette/Eve/Hexenbiest was over with. To claim that this is a double standard is absurd. |
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