04-19-2018, 04:47 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-19-2018, 05:39 AM by Henry of green.)
(04-18-2018, 05:00 PM)syscrash Wrote:Syscrash, you make some valid points above but are wrong on a number of things in my opinion particularly involving Juliette and Kenneth.Quote:I make a statement and use the definitions to support my statement. That is the "coherent argument to support My position" And I have to re-post it because it doesn't seem to sink in to your mind set. This is why now you are arguing about the argument.That is not a coherent argument. A coherent argument is an explanation of why the event applies or does not apply. There have been a couple of us on her that have tried to explain to you. What you use as a definition no longer apply. The meaning of the words are an out dated notion. A coherent argument would be to explain why they are not.
This is how you concede defeat. You aren't capable to admit it so you change the argument, deflecting. How is that analogy of your 'writers intent' that you are probably unaware of. See, I can be clairvoyant too.
Quote:So when she says that line and lays on top of him, and the camera pans away, she was going to preform some magic? Is that what the "writers intent" was about that whole scene? I been watching GoT. Du you think if Grimm was produced in the same manner as GoT and the camera did not pan away, you really think she was going to preform magic? Maybe where you live it is called "Majique" (the cat or as referred to a baby cat) no pun intended. Where I come from it is called Found Under Carnal Knowledge -INGYou have a hang up about sex. I never said they did not have sex. I said that is not what their value is. Neither Adalind or Juliette was ever soon to be required to have sex. In all cases it was the female that initiated having sex. In all cases it was shown the females where having sex for the pure enjoyment of having sex. It was not as payment, or because it was expected. It is not about being clairvoyant, it is about listening to the actress opinion on how the characters are portrayed. You keep wanting to frame it as if the female characters are being sexually exploited by the men. I don't know maybe you can't conceive that women like and have sex no different then men. Gone are the days when women feel it is something men expect them to do. Now days women are the aggressors. Women are the ones to buy you a drink, and ask you to go home with them. And before you go there that does not make them immoral, lose, or any other derogatory word you want to use because in your mind it fits some definition. Like someone else said it is the 21st century get with the program. It is a new day for women.
When Nick comes back to the house and sees his bed unmade it wasn't due to some magic Juliette preformed, it was scrunched up due to plain old unadulterated SEX. Yes, it was literally SEX. But I have to tip off my hat for your clairvoyant ability to be able to read minds of the actors Clair,Bitsie, or Breee. You are just an amazing "legend in your own mind". (just in case you miss-interpeted tha last sentence, it is SARCASM) This is a fantasy TV show, not a subject for someone to study for their thesis for a PHD or Doctorate. Are you capable to comprehend MY "writers intent"?
The other thing that points out the writers where not using sex to gain leverage. Not one time was there sex with or for something gained. Even Adalind, she used it as a delivery method, but it was not the sex that was the tool.
Juliette didn’t have sex for the pure joy of having sex with Kenneth, It was clear Juliette slept with him to get back at Nick for him mistakenly sleeping with Adalind through no fault of his own. The show made it clear during that scene when she was with Kenneth he brought up the fact that Nick and Juliette's bed was where Nick and Adalind made their baby and she slept with him almost right away after that comment, then Nick came in after Juliette and Kenneth had gone and discovered the messy bed sheets, Juliette and Kenneth appeared to have purposely left it that way for Nick to see.
Script from 4x21
Kenneth- Let's have a look.
Juliette -And this was our bedroom.
Kenneth-And this would be where Nick and Adalind made their baby.
Juliette-It would.
Kenneth-Anything else? Juliette -Yes.
If I'm gonna be working with the Royal Family, you need to have a very clear understanding of just how valuable I can be.
Kenneth-It's secure.
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