01-28-2018, 12:47 PM
(01-28-2018, 10:37 AM)irukandji Wrote:I only recall Adalind referencing her father’s absence once - a one-line statement in S5 in response to Nick losing his mother at a young age. It’s certainly reasonable that Adalind was affected by not having a male/father figure while growing up, but references to her disappointments/regrets and that she wanted to give her children a better life were directed toward her mother.(01-28-2018, 08:35 AM)Robyn Wrote: As someone who grew up in a loving and healthy environment, it’s difficult to relate to Adalind continuing to be so heavily influenced by her mother. But, I don’t know what it’s like being made to feel I’m a failure or being exposed to cruelty and violence from an early age. My initial impression of Adalind was that she believed acceptance and love had to be earned by whatever standard the other person dictated. She was desperate for love and acceptance, and was willing to do anything to have it. An emotionally healthy Adalind would have rationalized in S1 that Renard didn’t love her and was using her. But then, an emotionally healthy Adalind wouldn’t have stayed in constant contact with her mother. But Adalind wasn’t emotionally healthy, and never was in my personal opinion because she conducted her relationship with Nick in much the same way, never questioning if she should be responsible for proving she was worthy of Nick’s love. So I’m not surprised Adalind was willing to kill for those she loved or compelled by anger and revenge, whether Hexenbiest or human.I think Adalind's problems originated with the lack of a father figure in her life, and not so much with Catherine.
(01-28-2018, 10:37 AM)irukandji Wrote:I wasn’t placing blame with anyone, only stating that Henrietta’s warning fueled rather than tempered Juliette’s fears, and that Nick abruptly leaving further confirmed he wouldn’t accept her as a Hexenbiest. One event without being compounded by the other might not have had such a severe negative impact, but when combined, Juliette wouldn’t accept anything other than immediate absolute proof of Nick’s acceptance. So their ability to work through their issues were severely compromised.(01-28-2018, 08:35 AM)Robyn Wrote: However, I do think a few scenes and exchanges of dialogue provides some insight. It’s feasible that the Nick/Juliette conversation wouldn’t have deteriorated so quickly had Juliette told Nick before talking with Henrietta. Because by the time Juliette told Nick, Henrietta had already reinforced any fears she had in regard to Nick being a Grimm and confirmed she couldn’t get rid of the Hexenbiest. And Nick walking out instead of expressing his unrelenting commitment ramped up Juliette’s fears. When Nick returned home and slept on the sofa, nothing short of absolute proof of his love and acceptance would have satisfied Juliette - Nick embracing and kissing the Hexenbiest.
In defense of Juliette here, I don't blame her for listening to Henrietta's advice any more than I blame Henrietta for giving Juliette such advice. As a hexenbiest, Juliette would have cause to fear Nick, just from the nature of the 'biest so to speak. Juliette did come clean with Nick, telling him about her visit to Renard and to Henrietta. It was Nick who voiced suspicion, mainly ticked because she went to Renard rather than going to him first. Secondly, he was ticked at Henrietta for giving Juliette such advice in the first place.
Nick normally hotfooted it to Monroe and Rosalee with issues he had in the wesen world. Yet in this instance, he went to Henrietta and for what? Well, we all know for what. So the series could show how easily he was manipulated by a hexenbiest.
(01-28-2018, 10:37 AM)irukandji Wrote:I wasn’t comparing one to the other. Two different women with two very different lifestyles. I wouldn’t expect them to react the same even to the same situation.(01-28-2018, 08:35 AM)Robyn Wrote: In Juliette’s overwhelmingly confused and angry mindset, Nick chose Adalind over her, and at that point Juliette chose to give in to the Hexenbiest and embrace what she was. I think that for Juliette, embracing the Hexenbiest was her way of insuring she would survive the chaos she was drowning in. And once she accepted herself as a Hexenbiest, it was a short walk to aligning with Kenneth, revenge on Adalind and Nick, and murder. Juliette no longer perceived her actions as she did when human.Is that more normal than Adalind's reaction to Renard not loving her? I don't see the difference. Juliette apparently also grew up without a father figure in her life.
I don’t see a direct connection between their life / relationship issues and their lack of a father figure. Juliette grew up in a loving and healthy environment without a father figure. Adalind grew up in a harsh and demanding environment without a father figure. Again, it’s a reasonable assumption that a child is better off receiving healthy guidance from both parents, but not that growing up without a father was the dominant negative impact on both women’s choices/behavior.
Adalind’s desperation for Renard and Nick to love her could stem from her father’s abandonment. I’ve often described Adalind as emotionally damaged with daddy issues. But Adalind’s desperation for love and acceptance could just as much stem from her mother’s demand that she live up to her expectations, that deserving love and acceptance required first satisfying the other person’s expectations.
If Juliette was negatively affected by her father’s absence, I’d expect her to marry Nick regardless of any issues that might exist because she’d fear Nick would leave her too. Juliette clearly wanted to be with Nick after he became a Grimm, but clearly wasn’t willing to marry him. To me, Juliette having the confidence to insist their relationship continue on her terms indicated she didn’t have father issues or a fear of abandonment. If Juliette didn’t have issues stemming from her father’s absence while human, I don’t see how/why becoming a Hexenbiest brought about those issues.
"If my devils are to leave me, I am afraid my angels will take flight as well." Rainer Maria Rilke