(11-09-2017, 05:44 AM)Henry of green Wrote: Irk, you know fine rightly Juliette knew things between Kelly and Kenneth would be violent
This is actually an interesting statement and while you meant something else entirely, you just in essence confirmed my opinion of events. Juliette set her own rules when partnering up with Kenneth. In other words, Kenneth approached her stating he wanted Diana. She helped him get Diana by betraying Kelly. End of story.
What Juliette knew and/or didn't know in this case is irrevelant. Without dialogue or description to back it up, all that comes down to is opinion. You *think* Juliette knew this or you *think* Juliette *knew* that.
But what you are saying here is that you think Juliette did not participate in the murder of Kelly or the neighbors. If she did, she wouldn't have to "know" things were going to be violent between Kelly and Kenneth. She'd be there. She'd see it with her own eyes.
I'm not saying she's innocent and you're free to provide an opinion on what you think Juliette knew. But it still comes down to your opinion, which you cannot prove any more than I can prove mine.
(11-09-2017, 05:44 AM)Henry of green Wrote: and if she didn’t want Kelly killed as you claim why not warn her, when she spoke to her on the phone.
Again, you're going into Juliette's mind here and assuming she knew Kelly was going to be killed. Definitive evidence from the script revealed she didn't know what was going to happen to Kelly. She said as much to Nick. He believed her. She cannot warn Kelly of something she had no knowledge of. All we know of from her own verbal statements is that she agreed to help Kenneth get Diana via Kelly. We also know she told Kenneth locations of the neighbors' houses.
(11-09-2017, 05:44 AM)Henry of green Wrote: If she didn’t want Kelly dead she could have saved her, she took out 20 people in season 5 single handed. There seemed to be less than 20 verat how come she didn’t help Kelly out ?
Maybe she figured like a lot of posters here. Kelly could easily take out 20 verrat and escape without Diana.
(11-09-2017, 05:44 AM)Henry of green Wrote: She should be assamhed of her crimes as Juliette,just like Adalind is ashamed of hers.
Well.......let's step back on this one for a moment and consider the circumstances of Adalind's "Shame". Adalind admitting regretting her offences to Nick. Let me add this; she admitted her regret within the comfort of his home, where she and baby were now safe. Was there any future shame about what she did? Nope. Conscience clear with Nick.
Flash forward a year and again Adalind is in the comfort of Nick's fome with Diana and baby. She apologizes to Eve after Eve has endured days? weeks? whatever time period in Nick's basement.
Flash forward months where Nick and Juliette are not in the comfort of Nick's fome, but in the mirrored world fighting the big Z. It's then and only then that Eve tells Nick she cannot forgive Juliette (aka herself) for what she's done.
Juliette was irreparably changed, even harmed in the events of the past 1 1/2 years. Still she reveals to Nick the reason why she cannot apologize. An apology to another without forgiving oneself is hypocrisy.
As I wrote earlier, I find this a very sad statement on the part of Juliette's character. The writers deserve a big slap with a wet noodle for yet more dumb dialogue from the women of Grimm.
(11-09-2017, 05:44 AM)Henry of green Wrote: I don’t hate regular Juliette I’m just not that fond of her but hexentte I despise as much as Renard.
You don't wish a character a painful death if you don't hate them, henry, and I have no issue with that. I've read some really interesting details from other posters wishing for a particularly excruciating death for the character. Everyone knows I detest Nick. Like Juliette, he's a cardboard image from someone's mind, nothing more.
(11-09-2017, 06:03 AM)New Guy Wrote: Iruk,
How many times must the members of this Forum present the facts that support what Juliette knew? You have not presented any evidence for your opinions. Instead you post inane comments like "I have yet to see any proof whatsoever from anyone." The "proof" we have presented is factual, and compelling. Yours is simply vapid opinion.
New Guy-
You're slipping. You keep repeating yourself. Might I suggest going back to your old posts and gaining insight from them? You used to do so much more than simply repeat yourself and throw in a couple of definitions from Merriam-Webster in a weak (but still ridiculous anyway) cause to justify yourself.
Also, I want to ask. What is the purpose of your post to me? I really don't see anything other than some useless critique. I do like how you include yourself in your statement, of which I am quoting a portion:
Quote: The "proof" we have presented is factual, and compelling.
That's very magnanimous of you, lumping yourself in with other posters who have actually given serious thought and consideration to their posts. What have you contributed? In a word, 'nada'.
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