(10-17-2017, 04:52 PM)irukandji Wrote: If you didn't think we were watching the same show you wouldn't be asking. A question like that is beneath you and I mean that respectfully.
Next, G&K leaving room for doubt: I had to laugh because that's what these two do best. Only it's not a room they leave, it's an auditorium. Juliette's death, the meaner and darker Nick, some main character (other than Juliette's) going to croak in the near future, just to name a few. Whoever shouted out in the audience that they speak with a forked tongue had them pegged.
Except I was referring to the ending. G & K may have been deliberately ambiguous when it came to season finales, as they have admitted themselves, but the series ending was not left open for interpretation. In fact, G & K tried to tie as many loose ends as they could, in order to give the audience a satisfactory happy ending. What we saw in the trailer left no room for doubt that those were Nick's equipment, and Adalind's things. Grimm books, weapons + staff = all belonged to Nick. There is no evidence, not even a hint, that Renard has somehow acquired them.
Quote:Nick and Renard still don't trust each other after 20 years: We don't know that. Purely conjecture. If we go by the word of the wise and noble G&K, everyone is one big happy family. They'd have to include Renard in that, otherwise, it's not one big happy family.
Just because Nick and Renard don't trust each other, doesn't mean that they are not family. In a deleted season 6 scene, both Nick and Adalind acknowledge the weirdness of being in a blended family with Renard, and they don't like the idea of it. But just because they are 'family', does not mean that they suddenly trust each other. Also if we are going by interviews, G & K do acknowledge that Diana was referring to Nick as 'dad' at the series finale. So in this case, it has therefore been established that Diana does call 'Nick' dad now, and we are then left to logically assume that it was Nick's trailer we see at the end.
Quote:The grimm books and trailer belong to Nick: This is purely conjecture as well. I think it was you who said Diana could be employed. She may have bought the Airstream with her earnings. An old trailer isn't all that expensive. In addition, Nick may have passed down all of his equipment and such to Diana and Kelly.
How exactly is it 'purely' conjecture that those grimm books belong to Nick? We saw in previous seasons how Nick acquired those books. And they were those same books, because one of them was the Grimm family book which Kelly was writing on, and which BC tried to take from Nick. In fact, the value of that book was so great that Monroe's uncle was killed because of it, and everyone has brought up how important the book was. If there were any other similar Grimm family books lying around, then BC would never have gone after Nick to try to get it from him nor would Monroe's uncle try to sell it to him for a large amount of money.
Quote:Kelly the liar: Actually, I had posted a thread asking if Kelly may have embellished his entries in the big G book. Why it's not a B book, I don't know. It's obviously not a diary of various wesen, but Kelly's own personal thoughts on his father. Aside from that, there were some responses that indicated Kelly probably did embellish his father's exploits.
So you are basing your conjecture on speculation, without any proof of evidence, that Kelly was embellishing his story. So I guess we are somehow not meant to believe what what was shown to us by G & K when Nick battled Zoestorer, because it was Kelly who was narrating the story, as was told to him by Nick. We might as well speculate that Nick wasn't actually fighting Zoestorer, no let's just go for aliens, and it wasn't Nick and his family who ended up defeating those said aliens, but Renard, who has somehow become a grimm at the end. Oh wait, maybe the whole show was a lie after all from the start, and even without any evidence to support it, we can believe that it was Renard all along who was a grimm and Nick was just some random guy who was obsessed with becoming a grimm.
Quote:And really, who's to say that what we saw isn't a pictoral translation of Kelly's big G book? Just saying.
Renard the grimm: Actually this is kind of a cool idea. I have to think on that some more.
Yes, Renard was the grimm all along, and also a jedi, and he was the one who ended up fighting space aliens in order to rescue princess Adalind from the evil sith lord bent on attacking the world.
Quote:Nick's authority to possess the staff: Kelly was murdered well before Nick ever took possession of the staff. But even if she were alive, her authority to grant said possession really isn't worth used toilet paper.
Nick is a grimm (no matter how many times you and his haters might choose to disbelieve it), and his ancestors hid the stick from the royal family to keep it safe from evil hands. As a grimm, it would have been his duty to do the same thing his ancestors did. In fact, we see in season 6 that the only one who could touch the stick was Nick, and in the end, when he grabbed the staff, the stick reconnected with the staff. Call it a greater unseen force, but Nick was given that great power and entrusted to keep it safe.
Quote:The onus is me and anyone else here to back up my claims with evidence: May I remind you that my response was to syscrash, not to you. It was you who came in with your opinions about backing up claims and whatnot. No one here backs up their claims, even you.
So what if you were replying to syscrash? Am I not allowed to respond to your post as well? Again, you are deflecting, please address my request. Back up your speculations with evidence instead of stating that what I saw on screen was 'pure' conjecture.
Quote:What I find so interesting about this forum is that all it takes is for someone to put out a discussion about something in Grimm, maybe unusual, maybe not. It doesn't matter. What happens is whoever put out the idea has to then to contend with posters coming down at them like vultures. What I find so interesting is that these same people give the impression that they actually find the idea (or ideas) worth merit (although they will never admit that in a million years). I mean they go off on some diatribe about imaginary fanfics and no proof, you know, the same old tired arguments. But all the time it seems to me that they're really trying to convince themselves that what they're reading isn't plausible, rather than just ignoring the whole discussion in the first place.
I'm sorry, but it definitely isn't plausible if the ideas stated forth have no basis on evidence. And then when evidence is presented that is in direct conflict with said ideas, the back peddling and accusations begin. I can understand if the ideas were presented as wish scenarios, but they are somehow being discussed as though they really did occur in the show or what the writers intended, despite evidence contrary to it.