06-02-2014, 05:26 AM
(06-01-2014, 05:40 PM)Berkilak de Hautdesert Wrote:(06-01-2014, 09:58 AM)virgo79 Wrote:(05-30-2014, 01:29 PM)Berkilak de Hautdesert Wrote:(05-30-2014, 09:18 AM)virgo79 Wrote: That kind of ultimatum isn't really Juliette's M.O., though. I could believe she might decide a Grimm's life isn't for her, but not thrusting an either/or situation on Nick. I think she would respect his choice to get his powers back, and if she left, the choice would be hers.
Wherever they end up, I don't see the Nick/Adalind thing being the deciding factor, though. That wasn't infidelity. I would personally define it as rape, though I suspect the show probably won't. I think it will be played as deception, and nothing more loaded than that.
It isn't Juliette's usual modus operandi, the ultimatum, that is. But everyone has their breaking point, and by her reaction in the car, you can see Juliette has reached hers. And if you can sit back logically and look at a situation, you can say, "Yes, you were tricked, I know you would have been faithful if you knew all the facts." But that's a reaction on a logical basis. You could see in the car that Juliette was reacting to it in an emotional basis, and emotion does not often rely on the facts. What I believe will happen is that Juliette will be calm and supportive with Nick having lost his Grimm sight (and possibly his Zombie powers?), but that's going to be a false front. As soon as the possibility of Nick getting his Grimmness back, that false front is going to vanish immediately, and allthe slights that Juliette has had to suffer are going to come boiling up, and it's going to be either/or time.
I absolutely agree it was an emotional reaction. But the thing about emotions is that they cool down, and leave room for logic. And Juliette has always been portrayed as being a creature of logic. A knee-jerk reaction made in a moment when you're overwhelmed and horrified doesn't necessarily dictate how you'll react to something when you've had some time and space to process it.
Juliette and Nick are both adults, and thus far the show has done a decent job of showing their interaction to be that of adults, in an established relationship, handling things (for the most part) with the maturity I would expect adults to show. I would hope that they don't undo that and have them handling things like teenagers, where it's all or nothing and there's no acknowledgement of what they've already shown themselves able to work through. (The flip side of having successfully weathered a lot of crap with somebody is that it can make a couple *more* able to endure hardship.) Time will tell, I suppose.
Divorces don't happen just to people who are always reacting in a knee jerk fashion. You can be calm, cool and collected, but emotional baggage keeps on building up and up and up. It's not two people reacting like teenagers. It's somebody who has tolerated and tolerated and tolerated and then reached an emotional breaking point. As Mark Twain once said, "Man is not the rational creature, he is the rationalizing creature." And people are funny. They can take all sorts of things in stride, and then they find out that someone has poked in a tender point they never knew they had. Like I've said previously, I thoroughly suspect that Nick will be finding new living quarters by the end of the first episode of the fourth season.
Oh, I don't think Juliette deciding she's had enough would be an immature decision, or even a knee-jerk one if she thought it through and decided that was what she felt was the right choice for her. I was talking about their interaction in the car being any kind of a deciding moment. I don't think that particular scene can stand as a reliable barometer of what kind of choices they'll make. And I don't see her voicing it in the form of an ultimatum to Nick -- that, I *do* feel would be a childish way of handling things. If it was an ultimatum issued over something that's been an ongoing problem, like Nick's cavalier assumptions that his loved ones will just jump to accommodate him, then I'd feel differently about it -- that's addressing a bad habit that's gone on and on and on. That's the sort of situation where an ultimatum is understandable. I'm actually surprised Nick hasn't gotten a few of those from several different people in his circle, to be honest.
But to say "choose me or choose being a Grimm" is different. That's telling someone to give up a part of themselves if they want to be with you, and that's never okay, in my book. I see that as childish. If someone's life is not for you, if it's too stressful, too dangerous, too whatever it might be, that's totally okay and understandable -- but you don't tell someone to choose when that part of their life is important to them. That's going to lead to resentment, sooner or later. You make the choice yourself and get out of the relationship.