05-18-2015, 06:47 PM
(05-18-2015, 04:02 PM)Tokens210 Wrote:(05-18-2015, 03:07 PM)irukandji Wrote: But Tokens, couldn't you just as easily look at the other side of the coin and find where Nick was also at fault?
I've actually tried, as Belle mentions and i agree with nick is typically up front with her on most things, things he's not upfront with are things he sees as small or case related, he cant or shouldn't discuss all his open cases with her she has to know that by now, yea he got kissed by a stripper but he was investigating a crime and didn't know that was just gonna happen.
Just to find out if there was a side where Nick would be at fault in this, I re-read about the last 10 pages of this thread. There were a few passages where Nick was not upfront with Juliette. Not all were small or case related things, Token.
I'm not real good at remembering details, I generally just enjoy the show. However, I do recall that Nick did not immediately reveal that he was a Grimm to Juliette. You see him as a totally loving person, willing to stand aside for Juliette. Yet you don't see any problem with him withholding from the person closest to him this great change in him? I do, and it was always a weird plothole to me. There was nothing in Juliette's character to make anyone think she would have been skeptical, she was generally supportive of Nick. Plus, Nick has all of the evidence in posession to prove it.
I highly recommend reading the pages in this thread to get a positive view of Juliette's character as well as some surprising things about Nick's character. From my point of view, I saw never saw Nick as this 24/7 tender loving person, always putting Juliette's needs above his own. Nor did I see Juliette in the same light. To me they seemed more friends than lovers. What I did see were more stories that seemed to distance the two of them. Too bad really. I agree with one of the earlier posts in this thread that pondered the question of why Juliette wasn't admitted to the 'Scooby group'. As a professional and a scientist, her input would have been extremely valuable and useful to Nick.
Belle: I went through the thread looking for evidence that Juliette strung poor absolutely devoted to the max Nick along. There is nothing I saw to support your statement. I also want to add, I watch the show and am a devoted fan. I never saw any evidence that she was deliberately using Nick.
I know your issue is with the marriage proposal that Juliette refused, and frankly, I'm confused as to why that makes her an evil person. I'll have to watch that episode again because I seem to remember thinking that Juliette's refusal was not out of line. She and Nick hadn't brought their differences out into the open to work them out and their relationship was strained. I can remember Juliette wasn't comfortable with the proposal. Note I say she was not comfortable, not she was deliberately refusing in order to make Nick suffer. There's a great difference. She showed great maturity in refusing. You yourself must know of people who *you know* weren't meant for one another. Yet they decided to get married anyway without thinking things through, only to have it blow up on them a short time later.
There were a number of things that troubled me about Nick's response to Juliette asking him to kiss her after she woged. Nick should not have "had" to struggle to look at her if he loved her the way you say. This isn't the first hexenbiest Nick's ever laid eyes on so that's no excuse. He's fought with, lusted after, and killed many different species of Wesen so that's no excuse either.
Finally, and so very important; this is the woman who risked her life to give him his Grimm powers back. She's been made into something she didn't ask for, and she's looking to him for help. What does he do? Look at her with love and kiss her to prove he still loves her? No, he makes it very apparent he repulsed by her, 'struggling' to look at her. That was absolutely the worst thing I have ever seen Nick do. It was cold, ruthless, and remorseless. In two words, it was 'totally evil'.
I can totally understand why Juliette didn't want his help after that. She's been deeply hurt by him. I imagine she was mentally comparing herself to Adalind. Nick had no trouble bedding that scheming and betraying wench, but he has trouble kissing the woman who has stood by him the whole time.
I'm not saying she's perfect, and as I said I didn't care for her character. But, I think with some better writing behind her, I would have liked her very much. As it stands, I like her a lot now and I hope she's back for season 5.
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