02-16-2017, 09:39 PM
(02-16-2017, 05:56 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: I'm in the same boat. I can never accept a writers explanation if what I see on the screen constantly contradicts it. Juliette is not dead because I keep seeing a lot of Juliette in Eve.That’s how I feel about it too. Stick whammied just in time for Eve to be emotionally compromised in S6, and react to Nick like Juliette would have before all the hoopla, and create perfectly timed Juliette/Nick/Adalind drama because ‘Eve’ is suddenly having fond memories of her time with Nick when Juliette.
This just goes back to recent debates we've had on the forum. It has been theorized that Adalind might be running a con even though we've had no evidence of it but I'm supposed to accept that Juliette is "dead" and there's only Eve?
There would be no potential drama between Eve and Adalind if she were truly Eve. This has Juliette written all over it. They say that Juliette is dead but they've had Rosalee make a remark about Eve saying something Juliette would say and Nick calling her Juliette point blank. They're not putting this in there because Nick and Rosalee just can't accept reality. They're doing it because they want the possibility of Juliette reemerging on the minds of the audience.
If Juliette were truly "dead", the emotions she experienced wouldn't have a huge effect on Eve. Nick would be at most a valuable ally instead of someone she's so heavily invested in and putting her head down when Adalind asks Nick to name the location of their first kiss and doing it again in the recent episode when they were with Monroe and Rosalee.
The writers insisted Juliette was dead in S5 to make the ‘I’m Eve now’ scenario work. And are ignoring their contrived S5 scenario because they want Eve with feelings to be the Juliette character before all the Hexenbiest hoopla.
Are the writers worried their central character/leading man will disintegrate if his former girlfriend is capable of maintaining her independence while interacting with him?
(02-16-2017, 08:42 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: If you talk to someone with DID (and I have, about six them, all living in the same body), they all see themselves as different people and think they are whole people, even though it's pretty obvious that each of them is missing something that you'd expect a "whole" person to have.I understand your clinical explanation of multiple personalities, but the Eve persona was a manufactured identity constructed to create a super soldier/weapon. If the stick cured beyond healing the wound, isn’t the ailment that was cured the manufactured Eve persona, the fractured psyche? And if the Eve personality was destroyed/cured, isn’t the surviving personality Juliette, albeit emotionally compromised by her Hexenbiest ordeal and months of living as the manufactured persona?
In treatment, the goal is usually to gradually "integrate" all the different "selves" into a single personality, which will not necessarily be the "original" self. So if the stick ends up "curing" Juliette/Eve, they might merge into yet a third, different personality who can do everything that Juliette and Eve could do but doesn't see herself as either.
I also understand your point about the integration of the various personalities, but within the fictional Grimm world, there isn’t therapy, there is only a magic stick that appears to have cured the multiple personalities. I don’t see an integration, but a reversal of S5’s Juliette is Eve.
An integration would be Eve with softer edges, capable of interacting with various levels of emotions. Or, Juliette, familiar and comfortable with the attitude and behavior of a highly trained operative. The person in the mirror scene was not Eve or an Eve/Juliette integration. The person in the mirror scene was Juliette, frightened/shocked by what she saw and instinctively yielding to Nick’s opinion/decision.
"If my devils are to leave me, I am afraid my angels will take flight as well." Rainer Maria Rilke