12-12-2016, 08:50 AM
(12-12-2016, 05:52 AM)irukandji Wrote:(12-12-2016, 01:36 AM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: I went to grimm wiki to be sure how this all happened. Monroe and Rosalee went to Sean asking for help, not Nick. Sean asked his mother to help them. Not Nick.
I think Juliette was the one who went to Monroe and Rosalee asking them to stop searching for a cure without talking with nick first.
But anyway... The first thing Nick and Juliette had to have was to talk about that situation. They didn't.
And about your question if Juliette asking for help if it was mistrust. She answered that. She said she was afraid of Nick. She said she didn't know what to do. If she trusted Nick she would know that she should first talk to him. She wouldn't be afraid of him. She never trusted him from the first episode of show.
Monroe and Rosalee did ask Sean for help. But Nick and Hank met Elizabeth first, and according to the script, it was Nick who brought Elizabeth up to speed on the situation. Later when she met Monroe and Rosalee, the question was asked, "Did you talk to Nick?"
I presume it was Renard who affirmed and then confirmed the Elizabeth had been brought up to speed. The only one who could bring her up to speed was Nick. If he wanted to remain human, he'd have said so not brought her up to speed.
Nick told Hank he wanted to be a Grimm again. He also said having a normal life would be nice as well.However, he never ever told Juliette he wanted to be a Grimm again. He did not trust her enough to confide his real wishes.
Juliette did go to Monroe and Rosalee and did not tell them to stop searching, she told them something along the line of not being in a hurry to search for a cure. She had talked to Nick about living a normal life. Otherwise, Nick would have never spoken to Hank about it.
Nick didn't "discover" Juliette was a hexenbiest. She showed him and she told him. It was Nick who did not believe her and subsequently pulled a gun on her. I would say in her defense, she made the effort. It was Nick who walked out.
(12-12-2016, 06:28 AM)syscrash Wrote:Quote:Adriano Neres Rodrigues:You do understand what it means to have an irrational fear. if a fear is rational then you can make an argument as to why you feel that way. Irrational fear has no actual bases for the fear. Take the fear of ghost. It is impossible to explain why someone would be afraid. Yet that fear is an attraction for peoples interested in haunted houses. When in a hunted house people are completely terrified of seeing a ghost. This is a fear of something that does not exist. And if they did what could they possible do to you. In all supposed sighting not once have they been described as having substance.
Rational or irrational it is all the same. Juliette action were based on rational and irrational factors. If she had only irrational factors to go to Sean she could rationaly trust Nick and talk to him either way. I don't see this difference you talk about.
All you say is only that: Juliette didn't find reasons to trust Nick neither rational neither irrational reasons. Fact.
To try and say the fear of Grimm's is learned or a reaction to some personality issue. ignores all of the wesen that freak out finding out Nick is a Grimm, even if Nick is helping them. Take Rosalee, Nick was consoling her about the death of her brother. Nick was working to solve his murder. She gets sad and woge. Immediately she jumps out of her skin. What logical reason could she have to fear Nick.
so for you to say "Rational or irrational it is all the same." means you do not understand the word. irrational. Using your logic why would anyone fear going into a hunted house. She did not go to Sean for answers to her irrational fear. She did not go to Nick because of her irrational fear. There is a difference. She went because her condition was the result of what Sean's mom did. That was a rational act based on actual logic. Not gong to Nick was based on fear that had no logical explanation. Even Adalind once her powers returned also adopted the same irrational fear. Even though Nick had taken her in an protected her for the last few months.
The only way I see your argument working is if you are using irrational fear as phobia. But I don't see Juliette or Adelaind with phobia from Nick.
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