01-08-2017, 04:53 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-08-2017, 05:11 PM by Adriano Neres Rodrigues.)
(01-08-2017, 02:54 PM)rpmaluki Wrote: I think you're on to something. Sean needs a public scapegoat and Nick fits the bill. A simple cover might fool the authorities because they've done this sort of thing before where he and Nick covered for one another. This is about black claw coming after him for Bonaparte, he can't cover it like everything else. He's likely their first suspect, something like there being no honour among thieves. What I can't explain is the blood on his hands. Is it his guilt over killing his supposed friend playing tricks with him (he's never struck me as the loyal type) or could there be an external push from somewhere else?
I don't think Sean is going a conscious crisis because of Meisner. I think the writers are doing more or less the same they did with the doors in the HW facility. They are creating a question: what is going on to Sean?
I think we will find out someone manipulating Sean about that. Or maybe he is afraid about what BC can do to him. But certainly it is not about Meisner. It is about Sean himself.
(01-08-2017, 03:04 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: That was pretty obvious the moment Sean told Adalind that he wasn't going to take the blame for Conrad. Pinning the dead cops on Nick is nothing compared to convincing the rest of BC that Nick killed Bonaparte and that he killed Nick. I'm thinking that maybe the new common enemy is going to be someone who figures that he'll kill Sean to eliminate competition for control of BC and cement his own leadership chops by being the one who killed the Grimm and avenged Bonaparte.
It does seem odd if Meisner's the only person Sean feels guilty enough about to be haunted. But Meisner does seem to be only time that Sean has killed an apparent friend with his own hands.
You are right about the fact that Sean wouldn’t assume Bonart’s death and would put it in Nick’s account. My point is just that one thing is:
Sean sees Nick as an enemy.
Another thing is:
Sean sees Nick as a tool.
If Sean saw Nick as an enemy he would never try to work with Nick again. If Sean just saw Nick as a tool, Sean could in the future try to work with Nick again if for some reason Sean thinks it is necessarily.
I think Sean is going for the second option. Sean is not seeing himself as a BC member yet with the mission of serve the cause (in this case, to serve the cause would mean kill the grimm). Sean is seeing BC as a tool he is trying to use and this way Sean is also seeing BC as a threat. This way he trying to find a way to protect himself from BC. I know it may be a small difference, but for the purpose of this thread, that is a big difference if Sean sees Nick as an enemy or not.
About Meisner, I don’t think Sean is feeling guilty. I think he is feeling afraid of BC. Maybe afraid is not the correct word, but the idea is that. I think Sean is thinking he shouldn’t have joined BC and that now he is being forced to assume high risks to protect himself.
(01-08-2017, 03:30 PM)Robyn Wrote: I think Renard’s first priority is to pin Bonaparte’s death on Nick and insure that BC only hears his version of the event.
But I do think Renard wants Nick dead as quickly as possible, because even if there wasn’t pressure from BC, Nick is a threat Renard can’t afford right down. He can’t call on his usual allies. Even if Meisner & Sebastian weren't dead Renard burned that bridge, he severed his ties to the Resistance with Diana and made it worse by joining BC, and the Royals aren’t going to make any effort to save him.
This may be the first time Renard is completely on his own except for any surviving low level BC members. He may have the precinct at the moment, but only the ones with BC will murder for him. I think Adalind refusing to align with him against Nick has really thrown Renard off his game too. And he can’t kill her, he can’t even hurt her without suffering Diana’s wrath.
So yea, Renard is in a pickle at the moment. But he is Renard, and Renard always finds a way out.
I think you are on the target. Sean is alone. He can’t call on Hank and Wu because they are with Nick. Sean can’t call on BC because I think Sean doesn’t see himself as a BC member. Sean knows BC leaders would kill him if needed so Sean doesn’t trust them. Sean hasn’t the royals and he hasn’t the resistance anymore to help him.
I just don’t agree with you in the “But he is Renard, and Renard always finds a way out.” I see Sean more as the thinking man than as the action man and now Sean needs to put his hands on the job. Sean was portrait by the writers more as the man who goes for the alliances. He tried to work with Nick and the resistance against the royals. Than the royals were no more and BC showed up and he saw this an opportunity for a new alliance. The problem is that BC didn’t want allies, they wanted soldiers. I think Sean found out it too late.
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