03-15-2017, 03:51 PM
(This post was last modified: 03-15-2017, 03:58 PM by MarylikesGrimm.)
(03-15-2017, 03:30 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(03-15-2017, 03:21 PM)irukandji Wrote:(03-15-2017, 03:15 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(03-15-2017, 03:08 PM)irukandji Wrote:(03-15-2017, 03:02 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: Yes, it has side effects but death was not seen as likely.
So what you're saying is Elizabeth was not helping Nick, but helping Sean? In other words then, she deliberately kept Juliette's side effects secret in order to deceive Nick into becoming a Grimm?
Yes, imo she down played the side effects and never offered any suggests to help Juliette even though Sean.
Well, that's why we differ. That theory has been brought up before. It's an interesting theory, but as far as I remember, no one could find any facts to substantiate it.
Sean sold Elizabeth the idea of giving Nick his Grimm back so he could protect Diana.
http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/The_Last_Fight
At the spice shop, Elizabeth reads the steps of the spell. Elizabeth says that the spell ties Nick and Adalind together in unpredictable ways (side effect).
Scene: Renard wakes up and sees his mom looking out the window.
Elizabeth: Adalind, Catherine's daughter?
Renard: Yes. She used the Verfluchte Zwillingsschwester. There's one more thing. A child, a girl.
Elizabeth: Whose child?
Renard: Adalind's and mine.
Elizabeth: So I'm a grandmother.
Renard: Not that you look it.
Elizabeth: When do I get to see her?
Scene: Renard talks with his mom about giving Diana to Viktor.
Renard: If I hadn't given her to Viktor, he would've killed me and you.
Elizabeth: So you had no choice but to give my granddaughter to the Royals? I know you better than that. You wouldn't have given her to Viktor, but giving her to the Resistance wouldn't have guaranteed her safety, either. However, it would be advantageous if the Royals thought the Resistance had her. Are you gonna tell me where she really is?
Renard: I don't know, but she's with someone who owes allegiance to no one.
He tells her that Kelly Burkhardt has her and that she is a very dangerous Grimm. Elizabeth states she's going to find her, and Renard says he knows she'll try.
Elizabeth tells him to be careful and that she wants her granddaughter. She tells him that Kelly will be in contact at some point with Nick and that she wants him to be ready for that. Renard promises her that he will.
In Renard's office, Renard tells Nick that his mother left. Nick says he's sorry he didn't get a chance to say thank you, and Renard says maybe he still can. Renard says that now that his mother knows she has a granddaughter, she is on a quest to find her. Nick asks if he told her who has her, and Renard says he had to tell her because she's his mother and she just saved his life. Renard asks Nick if he's heard from his mother, and Nick says that if he had, she wouldn't tell him where she was, but he tells Renard he has not heard from her. Renard says that his desire is only to protect his child and that he doesn't want his mother to kill Nick's mother. Nick tells him that he doesn't want his mother to kill Elizabeth either. Renard says that if they can't warn Kelly or dissuade his mother, then they have to figure out another way to deal with things.
(03-15-2017, 03:34 PM)irukandji Wrote:(03-15-2017, 03:30 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: Sean sold Elizabeth the idea of giving Nick his Grimm back so he could protect Diana who his mother was taking care of.
I didn't get that impression from the episode. My impression was that Elizabeth wanted Diana, but Sean had no idea where she was.
Sean told her that Kelly Nick's mom had Diana. Elizabeth wanted Sean to keep an eye on Nick to get her daughter back. Elizabeth is not neutral.
Women characters do not have to be having sex with the lead to be important to the story.