04-18-2018, 09:07 PM
(04-18-2018, 06:29 PM)irukandji Wrote:(04-17-2018, 09:26 PM)dicappatore Wrote:(04-17-2018, 11:55 AM)irukandji Wrote:(04-17-2018, 04:14 AM)syscrash Wrote: irukandji asked "Syscrash, do you think Nick enjoyed pinning her down?"
That is a question others have asked. Some have pointed out Nick seemed to have eyes for Adalind day one when he saw her walking down the street. He enjoyed having sex with her. When she was Juliette. But to the question of did he enjoy pinning her down. There are many ways to get your blood into someone. Yet Nick choose to use a very intimate delivery method.
Considering these points I made plus others. Add to that, the writers had them end up together. If them ending up together was the goal from the start then I would say the writers intent was for Nick to actual enjoy pinning her down.
There's also the statement from others that Nick had this planned. If he had this planned, then it's obvious he had it planned for his enjoyment. Seems like it's cheating under the radar, doesn't it?
So you keep pointing out that I am a bully, name caller and unable to have a serious conversation with you about any subject at hand. Ok, lets put aside all that you are complaining about and let us have an serious mature and intelligent conversation about this character Juliette.
As stated above, you are claiming that Nick went out that night to secretively cheat on Juliette by what he did to take away her Hex, you consider it as cheating. We might disagree if he enjoyed it but he did place his lips on hers and he did stick his tongue into her mouth for her to bite and draw blood.
My question to you is, when Juliette had sex with Sean after she moved out of the home she shared with Nick and before Sean kicked her out, was that cheating? Was it worse? Was having sex with Sean the same as Nick kissing Adalind?
Now, before you claim, she was on a break. How do you explain what Juliette said in the police precinct to Nick, when she confronted Nick and a pregnant Adalind. Didn't she ask Nick, paraphrasing, "so you are choosing her over me"? Now, they may not be the exact words but if they were on a break, why is she complaining whom he is choosing?
Didn't she already rejected Nick by moving out? If they were on a break why ask whom was he choosing? If they were not, isn't what she did a lot worse in the 'secretive cheating' category than the Nick/Adalind Kiss?
You asked to have a serious conversation, so here it is and awaiting your reply.
You've already broken your word, so please, don't hold yourself to some standard you have no intention of keeping. I see in your most recent post you already couldn't contain yourself to write without some kind of insult. So no one believes any so called sincerity on your part. Comprenez vous?
Syscrash's observation of Nick's cheating is a topic which, for as long as I've been on the forum, has never been addressed. It's worthy of intelligent discussion because there's much more to it. Yet you seem to think that, for the thousandth time, Juliette's bad behavior needs to be discussed. You claim you're trying to compare the two scenes in some effort to use comparative reasoning. Yet you believe Juliette was cheating. You've stated it in other threads.
Why is it that Juliette was cheating, but Nick wasn't? You state, "It will be hard to discount one as a cheater and not the other if they use the same standards".
Now before you go haywire and accuse me of the usual twisting things around, remember, it was you that brought up this comparative reasoning crap. Certainly if you pose questions, you are subject to questions as well correct?
I would be interested in knowing exactly what standards you are using. Not the same ones to be sure.
It's my hope that Syscrash and Robyn will continue the discussion about Nick.
But since you're on the subject of Juliette, I have a question for you.
If there was still a bond between Nick and Juliette, as you seem to believe, then why did Nick make the conscious decision to choose Adalind? Please don't provide the mundane answer that he was trying to save her life.
Nick was not sleeping with Juliette once he found out she was a hexenbiest. I would say that's a pretty good indicator that he no longer wanted her as his lover.
Nick is a cop, he is sworn to protect, especially his unborn child. He knows what a Hexenbiest can do. If Juliette did any harm to Adalind in the precinct just after Ken bailed her out, what do you think would happen to Juliette?
By Nick steeping in between Juliette and Adalind, he was able to accomplish 3 things.
1st, he was protecting his unborn child.
2nd he was protecting Adalind
3rd and this is the biggie you, syscrash and Robyn seem to overlook, he was protecting Juliette for getting arrested again and maybe without bail this time since it would be a second offense, while out on bail, before she even went in front of a judge for her bar brawl.
Nick wanted to work thing out, just because he would not kiss her or sleep in the same bed is not cheating. If Nick wasn't living with her was due to her moving out. According to you, because Nick refused to kiss her voge look and slept on the couch is the same as Juliette shagging with Sean.
If you are claiming they were on a break, then why is Juliette complaining to Nick that he is choosing Adalind and not her. Did Nick choose Adalind at the house when she voged or did nick just prevented Juliette from getting arrested again. How is this Nick cheating? How is Nick choosing Adalind over Juliette when Juliette moved out?
You want to have the discussion, then rebuff my examples with specific rebuttals instead of vague statements. This is why I can not have an intelligent discussion with you. Look at your replies.
If you are going to use the same standards on both characters, just do it instead of skirting the issue. be specific. Prove me wrong. Are you actually still claiming that when Nick was fighting with Adalind and stuck his tongue in her mouth so she would bite him and loose her Hex was cheating? instead of saving Hank's life? And if it was a kiss, was it the same as her having sex with Sean?
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