02-25-2018, 11:50 AM
(02-25-2018, 08:27 AM)Robyn Wrote:(02-18-2018, 08:11 AM)irukandji Wrote: I'm not speaking of this from a 'Nick's love interest' or even a central character point of view. I'm talking about the series not giving Juliette mother like qualities. We have no idea of her family and from the way posters talk about her coldness and how aloof she is, it seems to me there was no loving family circle to teach Juliette differently.None of the supporting characters had back stories that were explored beyond their immediate connection to the Nick vs. a Wesen episode theme. The creative team didn’t showcase Juliette as a veterinarian because her career had zero connection to the Nick vs. a Wesen episode theme. While Adalind’s S3 storyline ran parallel to this Nick vs. a Wesen theme, her storyline was crafted to bring her temporarily independent storyline into Nick’s.
One of my biggest pet peeves with the series is Juliette's profession. I've said this many times before, but when have we ever seen Juliette agonize over her decisions as a veterinarian? Zero, in my opinion.
I don't equate the former occupation of a vet as a logical transformation to some kind of amazon warrior. Juliette, in my opinion, was never a warrior and never exhibited any signs to that effect. So, suddenly the series throws away smart, professional woman in an occupation that could give us an insight into the character and replaces that with the cold and aloof amazon.
My earlier comment that Adalind was better suited for the role of little woman and mother wasn’t meant as a slight against Juliette. I don’t have any reason to doubt Juliette would be a loving mother. I was only stating that Juliette was better equipped mentally & emotionally for strategic and hands-on battle confrontations. I can see Juliette, even before the Eve transformation, excelling in local law enforcement, the FBI, the military, etc. But I can’t see Adalind’s topsy-turvy emotional mindset allowing her to pull that off. And for me anyway, Juliette and Adalind were equally boring and undervalued characters while Nick’s love interest. Both had more to offer, but then, so did the other supporting characters.
(02-25-2018, 10:22 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: Juliette wasn't a fully formed character until Adalind started targeting those closest to Nick after Marie's death. For half of the first season she was just the girlfriend he went home to, a sounding board for the new frustrations of work as a cop developing into a Grimm, plus a human target that added more angst to the main character. Juliette felt more real rejecting Nick's proposal in the first episode than for the subsequent fifteen or so episodes thereafter. She came alive once more when Nick decided to tell her the truth about what had been happening, then enter an embittered, vengeful, powerless Adalind.....
In S1, Adalind had far less screen time than Juliette but she had a storyline of being Nick's antagonist. They started to develop Juliette from S2 onwards but it was about how to bring her fully into Nick's world. While Adalind's story was still fairly independent of Nick, the writers still found ways to have those two cross paths despite it being unnecessary (Kelly bringing her back to Portland with baby Diana and eventually her second pregnancy) and that's because Nick was the central figures that the other characters would/had to revolve around. A consequence of this type of storytelling of creating a world around the title characteras opposed to creating a character within a larger world that spans beyond him/her. It was Nick's story and every either fits around him or they are expendable.
They messed up with Juliette and Eve was a band-aid on a gaping wound in terms of the narrative but I think it's really more the writers keeping the actress probably because of contractual issues and the writers penchant for keeping people around because they wanted to and in some cases to the detriment of the show. It meant whatever they wrote as a result didn't feel organic to story. The only time someone left the show was because the actors had obligations outside of the show (Erik and Kelly)
IMO, this is, again, some contributors bitching about a tertiary character and IMO, possibly even a quaternary character, early on the show. In the 1st season, we might have seen Juliette more on the screen than Adalind, but like rp said, she was just a house decoration for Nick to come home to.
Again, as a reminder to the "Juliette Fans". The show central character is not Juliette, it's Nick. Given the order of actors hired for the show, is more proof, to support my opinion, she wasn't the central character, nor a secondary supporting one.
Have your tantrum episodes about how she was written as a character all you want, these are the facts. JULIETTE WAS NOT THE MAIN CHARACTER, CAPISCE?.
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