(04-23-2017, 10:38 AM)irukandji Wrote:(04-23-2017, 09:24 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: If this question is to me, then my answer is everything did happen but the deaths were reversed. However, they weren't reversed in terms of tapping dead bodies at a time which was Nick's intention. Space and time were folded between the two portals creating a loop as Mrtrick says between Zerstörer's dead body and Monroe's mirror portal just before Zerstörer came through, to "bring back" from the dead all of those people who died when Zerstörer first came through. It's not going back in time because Adalind's ring is gone as we saw Nick remove it. He and Diana both remember what happened because they did experience it Trubel didn't appear where she originally showed up and was confused about how she ended up at Monroe's when in the original timeline she was headed elsewhere. Those who died have zero collection of any type of changes made in the new past/present which was affected by the old present/future that took place outside of the cottage.
It's like a roller-coaster, it makes loops that, from afar, look as though they are going back to the original starting point but on closer examination, they aren't. It sort of go back but to a point of reference that continues to propel it forward, not the exact point itself or else it would simply be going in endless circles between points and never come out of the loop.
I don't believe time flows in loops. I think it's linear. Nor do I believe one can travel back to a certain point in hopes of changing things for the better. Nick wanted the ring off and his friends back. The stick created an alternate reality for him where the ring was off and his friends were back. In other words, the future continued with Diana pulling him and Eve back through the vortex and all of the friends as well as humanity were alive. Who knows, it might only be Nick's reality we're seeing or Nick's reality became everyone's reality.
The loop is linear. And the idea of it as a loop is just a way of expressing it three dimensionally. And of course you can't time travel. You also can't fabricate new realitys out of pure thought. But within a narrative, you have to apply a universal logic. The staff simply can't do what you want to believe it did. Zersotorer's demise allows the staff to open a portal. To exist, it must connect to another point. Said point is determined by Nick's wishes. The portal past and present are one and the same. It's a wormhole. But forget a tube like shape. Imagine a simple window. A flat plane, passed through. Past is now present. But always moving forward. Carrying the flow of the universe with you as you go. What Nick left is a paradox and can not exist. If past is now present, it becomes paramount. If you were alive in that moment, you can no longer be dead, because you can't be both. Present dictates. The future is set, the moment he comes through the portal. Meaning the paradox collapses. If Nick could simply will a reality out of his fondest wishes, why would it start with flinging himself through a mirror? Why would it be tied to an established portal? Why not find yourself in any of a hundred possible other permutations?
(04-23-2017, 12:04 PM)irukandji Wrote:(04-23-2017, 12:00 PM)Mrtrick Wrote:(04-23-2017, 09:14 AM)irukandji Wrote: Are you saying Z was playing with Monroe and Rosalee's mind when the stick turned into a snake? In other words, they weren't really bitten and poisoned, they only thought themselves to death?
Transmutation of matter. The staff could have become whatever Zersoter wanted it to become and back again. As long as it was the same size.
Well that already doesn't work. Grimm has taken the transmutation of matter argument to whole new unbelievable levels. For instance, a couple of wesen I can think of right hand that are impossibilities are manticores and the incendiaries (can't recall their wesen name). No way could a normal human transmutate into these creatures.
Of course it's unbelievable, it's fantasy. Magic is involved, which also doesn't exist. None of what any Wesen do is possible. I'm not sure why what's possible in the real world would have any bearing on this. The staff is based on the staff of Moses. That's why they used snakes. Transmutation isn't much of a problem for an object with divine power. And Zerstorer was fully versed in it's usage. Also, Zersotorer is far from a normal human. I'm not even sure he's Wesen.