06-26-2015, 08:32 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-26-2015, 08:33 PM by Adriano Neres Rodrigues.)
(06-26-2015, 06:53 PM)irukandji Wrote: I think seeing one's true nature is actually a fascinating idea, one I would love to see Grimm give some serious thought to.
Monroe makes it sound like coming in contact with one's true nature is horrifying, like something right out of the depths of hell. I don't necessarily take that approach. Sure, we have our bad side, but there's also goodness in people too, including wesen.
I have to agree with you on that. One argument that goes against my previous argument, but doesn't matter because the importante thing here is build up a bigger Picture about the debate.... Monroe since the beggining is a wesen trying to control his wesen side. Now this is not shown as mutch as it was in the beggining, but in the first season Monroe was shown praticting YOGA to became calm and so control his inside wesen.
There was even another episode where a "specialist" give advises to the wesen on how to deal with the wesen side. So, the begining of the series showed wesen side as the BAD side and human side as the GOOD side. As you said, everyone has both and Monroe is a prove of that... but aparently, at least in the begining of the show Monroe used to believe the wesen side as some kind of animal that must be controled.
Maybe not all wesen has the same feeling. So the Monroe discussion about the true nature would be his view... Not Juliette's one, for exemple.
Anyway, this can add more thoughts to our talk here.
Also, I may be using the wrong sentece here... The correct would be the wesen nature in replace of inside true nature.
But I think that this doesn't invalidade my argument, witch Nick rejected Juliette not because of her aparence... but because of the hexanbiest transformation. Her wesen nature, if you prefer...
(06-26-2015, 06:53 PM)irukandji Wrote: My second thought on this is that seeing one's true nature would be equivalent to a spiritual experience. I'm curious why a Grimm would be tasked with this. Using my religious experience as a basis, Grimms are not angels, they're not prophets, they're just....Grimms.
Third, (also based on my religious experience), what's the point? Do wesen become better people after this encounter? Can they do penance and the next time they look into a Grimm's eyes, they'll find peace? Again just throwing this out there. I know there's no answer until the writers take us down that road.
I like the religious comparison. Unfortunatly grimm doesn't go this way. Maybe fortunatly grimm doesn't go this way... I am afraid wesen would be seeing as some kind of deamon, just like in midle ages. Just a guess here.
(06-26-2015, 06:53 PM)irukandji Wrote: I'm also inclined to go with explanation three. It was simply an error. But, I brought this question up once in another thread and surprisingly, someone said this isn't the first time it's happened. Nick has encountered other wesen who didn't react to his eyes. Maybe a key plot element about this will show up in the future.
I haven't pay attention on this. Just wait and see.
(06-26-2015, 06:53 PM)irukandji Wrote: There was a comment about cheating and I thought Nick said it. It actually was Juliette and what she said was something to the effect that Nick had her permission to cheat.
I was thinking about your idea that when Nick saw Juliette's external hexenbiest, he was seeing her as a hexenbiest on the inside. I understand what you're getting at, but what are you basing this on?
Nick has no special powers to see a wesen's true nature. As I said before, when Monroe explained what wesen see when they look into his eyes, Nick was unfazed.
I am basing in things Monroe said in the show.
Quote:A Grimm is someone who can see into the heart of darkness. Someone who sees things other people don't understand. ”
–Monroe to Juliette, in "Endangered"
Quote:Monroe and Rosalee tell him that the way they can tell that he is a Grimm is because his eyes turn very dark like an "infinite darkness" and reflect their Wesen nature back to them.
I took just two quotes that I found. Aparently Monroe connects the darkness in the grimm eyes to the nature of the wesen side.
(06-26-2015, 06:53 PM)irukandji Wrote: If Nick was really this troubled by the internal nature of the hexenbiest, I would think Adalind would be a major disturbance to him. She doesn't appear to be. I can't recall if he's ever seen Sean woge, but if so, that would also be a disturbance to him.Nick doesn't have to deal with Adelaind in woge mode.... And when they slept, Adelaind looked like Juliette. Nick saw Sean woge in season 2. Even Juliette, Nick dealt with her normally when she wasn't woge. The problem was when she woge.
(06-26-2015, 06:53 PM)irukandji Wrote: Going back to Juliette, she told Nick she loved him before she woged. Using your thought, does Nick think she's a liar, that there's no way she could love him despite the fact she told him she did? I'm not reading any support for your thought, but I would be interested in getting some more information about it.I don't think Nick think Juliette was liaing. I think Nick couldn't see Juliette hexanbiest. Remeber that after that Nick told Juliette that he haven't given up them.... Juliette asked why and he answered because he loves her... And she was the one who laught on him. I think she was the one who couldn't belive in Nicks love.
And I think she was right... Nick loved old Juliette.... he wasn't able to love the hexabiest nature of Juliette.
Maybe by the same reason Juliette would have see Nick as threat: surviving instinct.