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RE: Do wesen encounters turn deadly because of Nick's presence? - brandon - 01-12-2018
Ariel was not afraid of him.
If Nick had been able to stop being a "GRIMM", would have missed several cases and could not help anyone.
RE: Do wesen encounters turn deadly because of Nick's presence? - irukandji - 01-12-2018
It's not the question of helping, Brandon. Beside Renard's personal gain here, another question is just high a price should Renard and the department pay for a grimm's "help"? Should they be willing to do anything just to keep Nick on the force as a detective? If so, why?
RE: Do wesen encounters turn deadly because of Nick's presence? - eric - 01-12-2018
When Nick was the only Grimm in town, he had value for Renard. Truble was introduced help Nick when he was unGrimm, Hank and Nick could suspect it was a wessen crime, but they couldn't find out who was the right wessen without her help. In the lake monster episode, the sheriff said they had a reputation of solving strange cases, without Grimmness Nick was once again a normal detective, therefore useless to Renard.
RE: Do wesen encounters turn deadly because of Nick's presence? - FaceInTheCrowd - 01-12-2018
Nick arrested quite a few wesen over the years, especially early on when a lot more of them were so terrified of a grimm that they surrendered the moment they realized what he was. And they certainly could be tried, or there wouldn't have been any in prison. Whether that changed after the WC was eliminated might have been interesting to see if there had been a S07.
RE: Do wesen encounters turn deadly because of Nick's presence? - irukandji - 01-12-2018
How many arrests do you think he made in relation to the wesen he killed?
RE: Do wesen encounters turn deadly because of Nick's presence? - FaceInTheCrowd - 01-12-2018
I did a rough run through S01 (I may have missed something because I didn't rewatch the whole episodes). Someone else can pick up where I left off.
Nick has 6 wesen kills, Hank has 2, Monroe has 1. Renard has 2 that I can find, but they're not "line of duty," they're murders.
Nick has 1 kehrseite kill
Nick and Hank have 12 wesen arrests (plus a dozen+ in the J drug den)
Nick has 2 cases where he let wesen perpetrators walk away.
e01 Nick shoots wesen attacker of Aunt Marie; Hank shoots postman
e02 No kills by Nick or Hank; Mama bear falls into pit; Nick and Hank arrest 3 wesen
e03 Nick shoots wesen
e04 No kills by Nick or Hank; wesen hit by bus and arrested
e05 No kills by Nick or Hank; Nick lets wesen walk away
e06 No kills by Nick or Hank; wesen arrested
e07 Nick shoots non-wesen attacker
e08 Monroe shoots wesen
e09 No kills by Nick or Hank; wesen arrested
e10 Wesen falls into burning pit; Nick tries to save but fails
e11 No kills by Nick or Hank; wesen arrested
e12 Wesen killed by Renard; Nick and Hank arrest multiple wesen
e13 Hank shoots wesen
e14 Nick kills wesen attacker
e15 No kills by Nick or Hank; multiple wesen arrested
e16 No kills by Nick or Hank; 2 wesen arrested
e17 Do we count Adalind's hexenbiest as a kill?
e18 No kills by Nick or Hank; Nick covers up Ian Harman killing verrat
e19 Nick kills 2 reapers, arrests 1 wesen
e20 No kills by Nick or Hank
e21 No kills by Nick or Hank; Nick arrests 1 wesen
e22 No kills by Nick or Hank
RE: Do wesen encounters turn deadly because of Nick's presence? - dicappatore - 01-12-2018
This thread is almost laughable. Just another attempt to disdain from the character of a fictional persona on a fictional TV show, and a poor attempt at it. The originator claims to be a relative to a Law enforcement relative yet has missed the whole boat of this series. A TV show about a homicide detective becomes a Grimm.
Nick isn’t just a cop or a detective, even before he becomes a Grimm. Him and Hank were, for all 6 seasons, “HOMICIDE” detectives. Me, not being in law enforcement but having also relatives in L/E makes me realize, homicide detectives deal with homicides, not parking tickets. Hence, they get to run into and meet kehrseite and Wesen alike that commit those homicides, also known as alleged murders.
Like most homicide detectives in large cities around the world, their presence with encounters of possible homicide participants might turn deadly when on the job. It’s part of the risk, of their jobs, If Wesen were committing murder and Nick was in an encounter with one? Yea, it might turn deadly, not because he is a Grimm, it’s because he is investigating a murder, and sometimes murders, do not go willingly when they are arrested.
As a Grimm, it just gave him an edge to distinguish if the person was a kehrseite or a Wesen. If the encounter turned deadly whether it was Nick, Hank or any of the hundreds of thousands homicide detectives around the world it would be due to the perpetrator deciding to turn the encounter deadly. Not Nicks choice!
RE: Do wesen encounters turn deadly because of Nick's presence? - FaceInTheCrowd - 01-12-2018
If realism had been an objective, we would never have seen Nick and Hank make an arrest at all unless someone committed a crime right in front of them or they went to someone's home or business for an interview and the person suddenly went nuts and tried to flee or attack. PPB detectives collect evidence and build cases, then submit them to the DA. The DA obtains a warrant from a judge and the warrants are served by uniformed officers. Homcide arrest warrants would normally be handled by SERTs.
So Nick and Hank would be shown collecting evidence and doing interviews to present to a DA, and once the DA got a judge to sign a warrant, the next time they'd see the suspect would most likely be in court at the arraignment.
RE: Do wesen encounters turn deadly because of Nick's presence? - dicappatore - 01-12-2018
(01-12-2018, 02:35 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: If realism had been an objective, we would never have seen Nick and Hank make an arrest at all unless someone committed a crime right in front of them or they went to someone's home or business for an interview and the person suddenly went nuts and tried to flee or attack. PPB detectives collect evidence and build cases, then submit them to the DA. The DA obtains a warrant from a judge and the warrants are served by uniformed officers. Homcide arrest warrants would normally be handled by SERTs.
So Nick and Hank would be shown collecting evidence and doing interviews to present to a DA, and once the DA got a judge to sign a warrant, the next time they'd see the suspect would most likely be in court at the arraignment.
I totally agree with your post, that's why if the encounter turned deadly, it would be the detectives reacting. The point I was trying to make, the perpetrators actions dictated how the encounter turned out, not the other way around
RE: Do wesen encounters turn deadly because of Nick's presence? - irukandji - 01-12-2018
Quite a few kills and some unorthodox methods for a novice grimm in the first season. Thanks for posting the arrests and cover ups as well.
In the cases where Nick let the wesen walk away, would he have considered the cases closed in his reports?