(10-13-2017, 03:54 PM)irukandji Wrote: Nick could have easily requested that Adalind be put in protective custody. Instead he allowed her to live in his house and if she wanted to leave, she had the use of Juliette's car. I think he placed a good deal of trust in her and not merely because she had his child. I just didn't see a change in Nick after Juliette.

(10-13-2017, 04:23 PM)irukandji Wrote: Yes, but is not telling Adalind about the stick really enough proof that Nick has changed?

(10-13-2017, 04:37 PM)wesen Wrote:

(10-13-2017, 04:23 PM)irukandji Wrote: Yes, but is not telling Adalind about the stick really enough proof that Nick has changed?

Compared to season 1 Nick season 5 Nick was more serious, grimm like, less easy going and barely smiled or laughed. I would say he did change, although it is quite subtle. We see him more wary of the world in general, choosing to live in an unfriendly uninviting loft not really fit for kids because of the safety and protection it offered. I also dont think that any of the characters changed because of Nick, nor should they expect Nick to change for them.

(10-13-2017, 08:05 PM)rpmaluki Wrote:

(10-13-2017, 04:37 PM)wesen Wrote: Compared to season 1 Nick season 5 Nick was more serious, grimm like, less easy going and barely smiled or laughed. I would say he did change, although it is quite subtle. We see him more wary of the world in general, choosing to live in an unfriendly uninviting loft not really fit for kids because of the safety and protection it offered. I also dont think that any of the characters changed because of Nick, nor should they expect Nick to change for them.

I see the same changes in Nick as well. He's more grimm, less cop. He's more reserved with those outside his small group. Less trusting. As you say, these are subtle changes compared to Adalind and Juliette but they are changes nonetheless.

Nick didn't trust Adalind with the potion so she took it herself to prove she was genuine. He took her to Bud's to hide her from Juliette and the royals. He only took her in after Kelly. He didn't trust anyone else with his son and by extension Adalind since he promised he'd never take Kelly away from her. That's not the same as trusting her. We know he didn't that's why he kept the stick's existence from her. It's only in S6 that he trusts her and has let her into his confidence despite her "leaving" him at the end of S5 and we know it's because he knew the circumstances that brought that on and didn't blame her taking Kelly away.

(10-13-2017, 01:22 PM)wesen Wrote: Nick was in love with Juliette, even as a hexenbiest he still loved her. That never changed, right up until her supposed 'death' in the season 4 finale, and even at the start of season 5. Juliette falling pregnant and being a hexenbiest at the same time would not have changed how Nick felt about her, even though he hated hexenbiests in general. Nick didn't suddenly love Adalind when she came to live with him, they both knew and understood that they needed to learn to get along with each other for Kelly's sake. If there was one person that Nick could be described as having loved immediately, it would be baby Kelly.

(10-13-2017, 01:22 PM)wesen Wrote: The problem I had with Juliette in her amnesia phase was that yes, even though she did continue living with Nick, I felt she treated him rather unkindly. I don't blame her attraction to Renard at that time because she was clearly under a spell, but if she really didn't remember Nick or wanted to have a relationship with him, she could have either left him or asked him to leave. Why stay with a guy she couldn't remember? It obviously wasn't for love, and if she was doing it for Nick's sake, why treat him coldly then?

Even in season 1, Juliette continued living with Nick even though she turned down his proposal because she felt she couldn't trust him. As for Nick being unable to protect Juliette, yes Nick wasn't able to completely protect her, but then again he was just new at being a grimm at that time. After Juliette found out about Nick being a grimm, and the dangers that came with being in a relationship with one, she had a choice once again to either leave or stay. Let's say Juliette stayed because she loved Nick too much, but in that case, she made the choice to also accept whatever risks or harm may come her way. Yet in season 4, before the hexenbiest got full control of Juliette, Juliette blamed Nick for everything that happened to her without acknowledging her own responsibility. Even as JuliEve, she still never fully took complete responsibility for her own actions, choosing to blame Juliette for her behaviour, instead of apologising.

(10-13-2017, 01:22 PM)wesen Wrote: I described Juliette as aloof because she wasn't as emotionally expressive as Adalind was. Yes, she was sociable and knew how to interact with others, but it was sometimes hard to figure out her emotions based on her facial expressions. She came across as remote and rather cold, because of this lack of expressions. We see this aloof side of Juliette in extreme mode when she turns into Eve. Yes, Eve may have disconnected herself from 'Juliette', but imo this Eve persona was always just a part of Juliette, the cold, calculating part of her. The stick brought back her emotions in season 6, so she was really Juliette again, although an older, tougher, wiser Juliette.

As for Nick and Adalind interacting with each other in a funny casual manner, there was the episode where they were talking about Nick going down into the tunnels and whether it was dangerous for him to do so. Adalind was being rather playful and cheeky in that scene and Nick was laughing along with her. We also see Nick and Adalind interacting with his friends at the house warming dinner party at the loft, and also we see it in Blind Love. We also see a playful exchange between Nick and Adalind with the shaving scene with the mirror in the bathroom.

(10-14-2017, 05:58 AM)degrimm Wrote: Juliette continued to live with nick cos she still deeply loved him and felt they could work on their trust issues. That nick was a baby grimm, is just not an excuse. He is a matured cop and he knows what's called protection, the same cop protection he had on adalind and his baby.