(09-17-2017, 04:47 PM)wesen Wrote: No offence to the actress Bitsie, I'm sure she's a lovely person, but I feel that besides the bad writing, it was also her portrayal that caused the audience to be 'meh' on her. I remember watching her from season 1, and thinking how bad her acting was, because she was so expressionless/emotionless. It was distracting and quite jarring to see her act so woodenly. Even when Adalind's character was toned down in season 5-6, I still found her more likeable than Juliette, maybe because her face and eyes still expressed so much more emotion.

(09-17-2017, 04:51 PM)irukandji Wrote:

(09-17-2017, 04:47 PM)wesen Wrote: No offence to the actress Bitsie, I'm sure she's a lovely person, but I feel that besides the bad writing, it was also her portrayal that caused the audience to be 'meh' on her. I remember watching her from season 1, and thinking how bad her acting was, because she was so expressionless/emotionless. It was distracting and quite jarring to see her act so woodenly. Even when Adalind's character was toned down in season 5-6, I still found her more likeable than Juliette, maybe because her face and eyes still expressed so much more emotion.

Can we really blame the character's faults on the actress?

(09-17-2017, 05:01 PM)wesen Wrote:

(09-17-2017, 04:51 PM)irukandji Wrote:

(09-17-2017, 04:47 PM)wesen Wrote: No offence to the actress Bitsie, I'm sure she's a lovely person, but I feel that besides the bad writing, it was also her portrayal that caused the audience to be 'meh' on her. I remember watching her from season 1, and thinking how bad her acting was, because she was so expressionless/emotionless. It was distracting and quite jarring to see her act so woodenly. Even when Adalind's character was toned down in season 5-6, I still found her more likeable than Juliette, maybe because her face and eyes still expressed so much more emotion.

Can we really blame the character's faults on the actress?

Not all of it of course, but I think the actor/actress does contribute to the likeability of the character. Take for example Adalind, she was a cartoony villain at the beginning but I still found her interesting, even though I disliked her character. Then when she was toned down in season 5-6, I still liked her far more than I did Juliette. Despite her toned down state, she still came across as warm and affectionate, and I could believe that she really did fall in love with Nick and would remain loyal to him, even after 20 years. Renard also had many faults, but I felt Sasha's innate charisma and acting skills made me like him despite his role as a villain. Also Monroe, who was supposed to be side kick to Nick, I actually liked more than Nick himself. Maybe it wasn't supposed to happen, but at one point I actually preferred seeing more of Monroe's scenes than even Nick's. Hank and Wu also weren't as fully fleshed as some of the other characters, but I still enjoyed watching them on screen. I think Eve was actually better to watch than Juliette. At least it was understandable why she was always so expressionless and unemotional.

(09-17-2017, 05:20 PM)irukandji Wrote:

(09-17-2017, 05:01 PM)wesen Wrote:

(09-17-2017, 04:51 PM)irukandji Wrote:

(09-17-2017, 04:47 PM)wesen Wrote: No offence to the actress Bitsie, I'm sure she's a lovely person, but I feel that besides the bad writing, it was also her portrayal that caused the audience to be 'meh' on her. I remember watching her from season 1, and thinking how bad her acting was, because she was so expressionless/emotionless. It was distracting and quite jarring to see her act so woodenly. Even when Adalind's character was toned down in season 5-6, I still found her more likeable than Juliette, maybe because her face and eyes still expressed so much more emotion.

Can we really blame the character's faults on the actress?

Not all of it of course, but I think the actor/actress does contribute to the likeability of the character. Take for example Adalind, she was a cartoony villain at the beginning but I still found her interesting, even though I disliked her character. Then when she was toned down in season 5-6, I still liked her far more than I did Juliette. Despite her toned down state, she still came across as warm and affectionate, and I could believe that she really did fall in love with Nick and would remain loyal to him, even after 20 years. Renard also had many faults, but I felt Sasha's innate charisma and acting skills made me like him despite his role as a villain. Also Monroe, who was supposed to be side kick to Nick, I actually liked more than Nick himself. Maybe it wasn't supposed to happen, but at one point I actually preferred seeing more of Monroe's scenes than even Nick's. Hank and Wu also weren't as fully fleshed as some of the other characters, but I still enjoyed watching them on screen. I think Eve was actually better to watch than Juliette. At least it was understandable why she was always so expressionless and unemotional.

I would have to disagree. I see Nick's character as a corrupt cop who, deep down inside, has nothing but contempt for law enforcement. I get that from his character in Grimm. The fact that I see it on the screen is a testament to the man's acting ability, not that he's actually some kind of rebel in real life.

(09-17-2017, 05:30 PM)wesen Wrote:

(09-17-2017, 05:20 PM)irukandji Wrote:

(09-17-2017, 05:01 PM)wesen Wrote:

(09-17-2017, 04:51 PM)irukandji Wrote:

(09-17-2017, 04:47 PM)wesen Wrote: No offence to the actress Bitsie, I'm sure she's a lovely person, but I feel that besides the bad writing, it was also her portrayal that caused the audience to be 'meh' on her. I remember watching her from season 1, and thinking how bad her acting was, because she was so expressionless/emotionless. It was distracting and quite jarring to see her act so woodenly. Even when Adalind's character was toned down in season 5-6, I still found her more likeable than Juliette, maybe because her face and eyes still expressed so much more emotion.

Can we really blame the character's faults on the actress?

Not all of it of course, but I think the actor/actress does contribute to the likeability of the character. Take for example Adalind, she was a cartoony villain at the beginning but I still found her interesting, even though I disliked her character. Then when she was toned down in season 5-6, I still liked her far more than I did Juliette. Despite her toned down state, she still came across as warm and affectionate, and I could believe that she really did fall in love with Nick and would remain loyal to him, even after 20 years. Renard also had many faults, but I felt Sasha's innate charisma and acting skills made me like him despite his role as a villain. Also Monroe, who was supposed to be side kick to Nick, I actually liked more than Nick himself. Maybe it wasn't supposed to happen, but at one point I actually preferred seeing more of Monroe's scenes than even Nick's. Hank and Wu also weren't as fully fleshed as some of the other characters, but I still enjoyed watching them on screen. I think Eve was actually better to watch than Juliette. At least it was understandable why she was always so expressionless and unemotional.

I would have to disagree. I see Nick's character as a corrupt cop who, deep down inside, has nothing but contempt for law enforcement. I get that from his character in Grimm. The fact that I see it on the screen is a testament to the man's acting ability, not that he's actually some kind of rebel in real life.

Contempt for law enforcement? Really? That's definitely different from the Nick I saw in the show. Nick went against the rules of being a cop because the rules/law didn't address magic or wesen. Nick tried to follow the rules as a cop at the beginning, but in the end he knew it wasn't enough to bring justice or protect the innocent from being attacked/killed by wesen.

(09-17-2017, 05:55 PM)eric Wrote: According to the regular rules, the chef could never be convicted of anything. The fungus would not affect anyone besides the blutbad. During the trial the chef would have eaten some fungus, humans who ate would have thought it was great. Not guilty.

(09-17-2017, 05:30 PM)wesen Wrote: Contempt for law enforcement? Really? That's definitely different from the Nick I saw in the show. Nick went against the rules of being a cop because the rules/law didn't address magic or wesen. Nick tried to follow the rules as a cop at the beginning, but in the end he knew it wasn't enough to bring justice or protect the innocent from being attacked/killed by wesen.