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Juliette/Nick relationship - WispyWillow - 09-11-2017
RE: Juliette/Nick relationship - syscrash - 09-12-2017
sometime I forget the emotional roller coaster of a ride that Nick went through. That clip shows just some of the scenes which support Nick and Juliette emotional connection.
Even at the end when Eve died you saw an emotional response. Even when he went to the other world it was for emotional reasons. With Adalind each thing he does seems to be out of obligation. Now that he has had time to get to know her. He does seem to care about her as a person. But he has no where near the emotional connection he had with Juliette.
Even after Eve told him she had moved on while in the other world. Nick was still emotionally shaken when she died. You saw no sadness when Adalind died only anger. Because Nick is an honorable guy had the show gone on he would stay with Adalind. He would also spend a lot more time being a grimm.
RE: Juliette/Nick relationship - dicappatore - 09-12-2017
(09-12-2017, 03:15 AM)syscrash Wrote: sometime I forget the emotional roller coaster of a ride that Nick went through. That clip shows just some of the scenes which support Nick and Juliette emotional connection.
Even at the end when Eve died you saw an emotional response. Even when he went to the other world it was for emotional reasons. With Adalind each thing he does seems to be out of obligation. Now that he has had time to get to know her. He does seem to care about her as a person. But he has no where near the emotional connection he had with Juliette.
Even after Eve told him she had moved on while in the other world. Nick was still emotionally shaken when she died. You saw no sadness when Adalind died only anger. Because Nick is an honorable guy had the show gone on he would stay with Adalind. He would also spend a lot more time being a grimm.
When did Adalind die? Typo? There was no doubt for the emotional connection between Nick and Juliette. In the end, Juliette refused to marry him, betrayed him, his mom and even after all that, blame whomever you want for turning her into a Hexenbiest. Him going out for a stroll and sleeping on the couch one night was not an act of abandonment. In the end, she dumped him.
RE: Juliette/Nick relationship - rpmaluki - 09-12-2017
(09-12-2017, 03:15 AM)syscrash Wrote: sometime I forget the emotional roller coaster of a ride that Nick went through. That clip shows just some of the scenes which support Nick and Juliette emotional connection.Nick has felt obligated to save Juliette ever since she became a hexenbiest. he only put it on hold when she was full force Robotic Eve. The two women are incomparable that's for sure but I don't think what Nick feels for Adalind can be measured as the lesser of the two considering how the show ended, with Nick's desperation to have Adalind (and their family) back. He had to have three Grimms (two very ghostly ones) beat and talk some sense into him doing the right thing and not let the loss of his loved ones make him lose sight of what Grimms were born to do. Nick will continue being a Grimm, the fact that he made the right choice in the end is testament to that, it's something Adalind has accepted as seen in S5 when he went into the tunnels and then Germany. She voiced her hesitation but understood it was something he had to do. Adalind can't stop him from being a Grimm anymore than he can stop her from being a hexenbiest. It's who/what they are and what makes them work better than Nick and Juliette (and Hexenette) ever did. It's the mutual understanding that allowed them to grow closer instead of apart as seen with Nick and Juliette.
Even at the end when Eve died you saw an emotional response. Even when he went to the other world it was for emotional reasons. With Adalind each thing he does seems to be out of obligation. Now that he has had time to get to know her. He does seem to care about her as a person. But he has no where near the emotional connection he had with Juliette.
Even after Eve told him she had moved on while in the other world. Nick was still emotionally shaken when she died. You saw no sadness when Adalind died only anger. Because Nick is an honorable guy had the show gone on he would stay with Adalind. He would also spend a lot more time being a grimm.
I think N/J represents the innocence of love when everything was going perfectly until the true test of their relationship came, that is Nick turning into a Grimm. Too many problems arose from that that love just couldn't fix/solve. N/A have no illusion of each other and their expectation of the other are with the other's true nature in mind, so acceptance is pretty much the foundation of their relationship, something that N/J lacked when the crap hit the fan. There was an element of either/both N/J wanting to hit reset and that was compounded by an actual reset in S4 when Nick lost his powers and you saw just how broken their relationship was.
Nick will always love Juliette and have a connection to her, that is apparent but she is no longer the woman he is in love with due to both characters growing apart and forced to do so by their circumstance. As Eve said, neither can go back, they aren't who they used to be.
RE: Juliette/Nick relationship - dicappatore - 09-12-2017
(09-12-2017, 06:02 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:(09-12-2017, 03:15 AM)syscrash Wrote: sometime I forget the emotional roller coaster of a ride that Nick went through. That clip shows just some of the scenes which support Nick and Juliette emotional connection.Nick has felt obligated to save Juliette ever since she became a hexenbiest. he only put it on hold when she was full force Robotic Eve. The two women are incomparable that's for sure but I don't think what Nick feels for Adalind can be measured as the lesser of the two considering how the show ended, with Nick's desperation to have Adalind (and their family) back. He had to have three Grimms (two very ghostly ones) beat and talk some sense into him doing the right thing and not let the loss of his loved ones make him lose sight of what Grimms were born to do. Nick will continue being a Grimm, the fact that he made the right choice in the end is testament to that, it's something Adalind has accepted as seen in S5 when he went into the tunnels and then Germany. She voiced her hesitation but understood it was something he had to do. Adalind can't stop him from being a Grimm anymore than he can stop her from being a hexenbiest. It's who/what they are and what makes them work better than Nick and Juliette (and Hexenette) ever did. It's the mutual understanding that allowed them to grow closer instead of apart as seen with Nick and Juliette.
Even at the end when Eve died you saw an emotional response. Even when he went to the other world it was for emotional reasons. With Adalind each thing he does seems to be out of obligation. Now that he has had time to get to know her. He does seem to care about her as a person. But he has no where near the emotional connection he had with Juliette.
Even after Eve told him she had moved on while in the other world. Nick was still emotionally shaken when she died. You saw no sadness when Adalind died only anger. Because Nick is an honorable guy had the show gone on he would stay with Adalind. He would also spend a lot more time being a grimm.
I think N/J represents the innocence of love when everything was going perfectly until the true test of their relationship came, that is Nick turning into a Grimm. Too many problems arose from that that love just couldn't fix/solve. N/A have no illusion of each other and their expectation of the other are with the other's true nature in mind, so acceptance is pretty much the foundation of their relationship, something that N/J lacked when the crap hit the fan. There was an element of either/both N/J wanting to hit reset and that was compounded by an actual reset in S4 when Nick lost his powers and you saw just how broken their relationship was.
Nick will always love Juliette and have a connection to her, that is apparent but she is no longer the woman he is in love with due to both characters growing apart and forced to do so by their circumstance. As Eve said, neither can go back, they aren't who they used to be.
The way I saw the N/J relationship was somewhat like yours. When everything was fine, they had a blooming relationship. Him being secretive was the result of becoming a Grimm. After the cat was let out of the bag, comma, Sean obsession, Zombies Attack and all the rest.
Part of her resentment, if not most, of becoming a Hex was NOT that Nick conned her or made her drink the potion to get his Grimm back. She resented the whole exposure to Grimm/Wesen world. Many critics blame Nick for walking out on her for a short walk but then gets called away for an investigation. She walked out on him because she blamed his Grimm for it all. She never accepted him as one. She tried to play along but never fully accepted it.
Adalind was born into that world. The only obstacle she had to overcome was their combative relationship that was influenced by Renard. Once the baby came along, Renard was pushed out and they each accepted whom they were. They were part of a world they were born in. Juliette wasn’t born in that world and resented it from day one when she was exposed to it.
RE: Juliette/Nick relationship - syscrash - 09-12-2017
let's not forget with Nick and Adalind without little Kelly there would not be a Nick and Adalind. Even at this point how much of Nick position is due to obligation. How much of him being with Adalind is his making the best of a bad situation.
Like I said twice Juliette died in Nicks arms. Both times he held her. Even the first time after Juliette had tried to kill him he still held her in his arms. In the last episode when Adalind died he did not hold her. Unlike with Juliette where he showed sadness. With Adalind he showed anger.
RE: Juliette/Nick relationship - rpmaluki - 09-13-2017
(09-12-2017, 09:32 PM)syscrash Wrote: let's not forget with Nick and Adalind without little Kelly there would not be a Nick and Adalind. Even at this point how much of Nick position is due to obligation. How much of him being with Adalind is his making the best of a bad situation.Nobody's denied this. However it doesn't change that the two certainly developed very strong feeling for one another. Kelly is the reason these two dared to be in the same room together without tearing one another apart violently but he's not the only reason they stayed together. If that were the case, that would be more out of obligation for their son instead of love for each other which in real life has often bred contempt and resentment between couples because they viewed their union more as a prison than anything else. Nick and Adalind have every reason to hate one another because of every awful thing they've done to one another, Kelly just isn't enough for them to push aside their resentment for each other and form a long lasting relationship unless real, heartfelt love is the glue that actually keeps this particular grimm and hexenbiest together for twenty years and going.
Like I said twice Juliette died in Nicks arms. Both times he held her. Even the first time after Juliette had tried to kill him he still held her in his arms. In the last episode when Adalind died he did not hold her. Unlike with Juliette where he showed sadness. With Adalind he showed anger.
We saw Nick making the best of a bad situation at the beginning of S5 but then he started seeing Adalind as more than just the mother to his son especially in S6. Nick doesn't love Adalind out of obligation to his son. Sheltering Adalind after the royals killed his mother and tried to use Hexenette to kill Adalind that was out of obligation since she had suppressed her hexenbiest and was practically helpless but Nick's feeling changed and grew deeper and they didn't have to especially once he knew she was a full hexenbiest. These two don't need to be in a relationship for Kelly. They can co-parent just as easily as Adalind and Renard co-parent Diana. They are together because they do in fact love one another, hard as it may be to believe.
I don't see how being sad vs being angry over someone's death is indicative of how much you love them. Some people are numb when they lose someone, it doesn't mean they love that person less than the one who cries until they are blue in the face or the one who rages violently. You can't compare grief.
RE: Juliette/Nick relationship - syscrash - 09-13-2017
Quote:I don't see how being sad vs being angry over someone's death is indicative of how much you love them. Some people are numb when they lose someone, it doesn't mean they love that person less than the one who cries until they are blue in the face or the one who rages violently. You can't compare grief.True different people react differently to the death of someone they care about. But I was pointing out the difference Nick showed after each death. Some like Hank , Woe, and Adalind he was mad. Juliette , and Roselle he was very emotional. Sean he could have cared less. Even Trubel he held her. If he loved Adalind then why would he not hold her. Especially since we have seen him several times holding people he cares for as they die.
RE: Juliette/Nick relationship - rpmaluki - 09-13-2017
(09-13-2017, 01:26 AM)syscrash Wrote:Hank, Wu and Eve all died in isolation to the rest of the group. He had time to react to each of their deaths.Quote:I don't see how being sad vs being angry over someone's death is indicative of how much you love them. Some people are numb when they lose someone, it doesn't mean they love that person less than the one who cries until they are blue in the face or the one who rages violently. You can't compare grief.True different people react differently to the death of someone they care about. But I was pointing out the difference Nick showed after each death. Some like Hank , Woe, and Adalind he was mad. Juliette , and Roselle he was very emotional. Sean he could have cared less. Even Trubel he held her. If he loved Adalind then why would he not hold her. Especially since we have seen him several times holding people he cares for as they die.
The following happens in quick succession unlike the previous three:
- He didn't care for Renard, true.
- Adalind died while he was still fighting Z along with Monroe and Rosalee, so no time to react or hold her when they were all still very occupied with staying alive.
- He reacted to Monroe and Rosalee because they were the last ones to die outside the cabin whilst he believed Trubel was safe inside the cabin.
- He ran into the cabin yet he still watched Trubel die and only held her after she breathed her last, that's not a normal reaction either but I don't think Nick loves Trubel less because he just stood there as the staff choked the life out of her instead of of using whatever grimm strength he had to pull the staff free from her neck.
It's all about context, Z was taking EVERYONE that Nick cared about (including Renard) to leave him completely bereft and without hope so he would be desperate enough to give the stick away. After defeating Z, the person he goes to is Adalind but it's not the first and only time he could react to her death. The other time he expressed his grief over her loss was to his mother and aunt. I believe they left that end scene with Adalind for last because it's also the moment he needed to realise that he could bring everyone back. Context is everything. When he tried to bring everyone else back previously, it failed but Z had planted the seed in his head that he could get everyone back when he used Adalind and his family as an incentive for Nick to give up the stick. Even though Trubel was standing right there next to Nick, it was framed though his need for Adalind that hope sprang once more and he believed that everyone could in deed come back and you see it on his face when hearing Diana's words to her Mommy about bringing Nick back.
Those death scenes aren't about whom Nick is most connected to but rather taking everything from Nick just as the grimm book said when referring to Z and how to defeat him using the strength of one's blood.
RE: Juliette/Nick relationship - dicappatore - 09-13-2017
(09-13-2017, 02:03 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:(09-13-2017, 01:26 AM)syscrash Wrote:Hank, Wu and Eve all died in isolation to the rest of the group. He had time to react to each of their deaths.Quote:I don't see how being sad vs being angry over someone's death is indicative of how much you love them. Some people are numb when they lose someone, it doesn't mean they love that person less than the one who cries until they are blue in the face or the one who rages violently. You can't compare grief.True different people react differently to the death of someone they care about. But I was pointing out the difference Nick showed after each death. Some like Hank , Woe, and Adalind he was mad. Juliette , and Roselle he was very emotional. Sean he could have cared less. Even Trubel he held her. If he loved Adalind then why would he not hold her. Especially since we have seen him several times holding people he cares for as they die.
The following happens in quick succession unlike the previous three:
- He didn't care for Renard, true.
- Adalind died while he was still fighting Z along with Monroe and Rosalee, so no time to react or hold her when they were all still very occupied with staying alive.
- He reacted to Monroe and Rosalee because they were the last ones to die outside the cabin whilst he believed Trubel was safe inside the cabin.
- He ran into the cabin yet he still watched Trubel die and only held her after she breathed her last, that's not a normal reaction either but I don't think Nick loves Trubel less because he just stood there as the staff choked the life out of her instead of of using whatever grimm strength he had to pull the staff free from her neck.
It's all about context, Z was taking EVERYONE that Nick cared about (including Renard) to leave him completely bereft and without hope so he would be desperate enough to give the stick away. After defeating Z, the person he goes to is Adalind but it's not the first and only time he could react to her death. The other time he expressed his grief over her loss was to his mother and aunt. I believe they left that end scene with Adalind for last because it's also the moment he needed to realise that he could bring everyone back. Context is everything. When he tried to bring everyone else back previously, it failed but Z had planted the seed in his head that he could get everyone back when he used Adalind and his family as an incentive for Nick to give up the stick. Even though Trubel was standing right there next to Nick, it was framed though his need for Adalind that hope sprang once more and he believed that everyone could in deed come back and you see it on his face when hearing Diana's words to her Mommy about bringing Nick back.
Those death scenes aren't about whom Nick is most connected to but rather taking everything from Nick just as the grimm book said when referring to Z and how to defeat him using the strength of one's blood.
I just reviewed those final scenes and “rp” is correct. When Juliette died, “Z” he was in the Spice Shop with just Juliette. "Z" left as she was dropping to the floor. He had time to hold her as she was dying from a small dagger stab. With Juliette, the fight was over. “Z” left the spice shop.
Adalind got axed with a large axe to her chest. He got to her as she had already dropped to the ground and died a second or two later. She went a lot faster that Juliette did. Plus, he was still in a fight with “Z”. No way can you compare the two incidents