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hmmm...what if (the stick) - izzy - 09-17-2016
In another thread the ever interesting jsgrimm45 writes;
(09-17-2016, 12:15 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: The relic is to have side effects so could Trubel or Eve using it on Meisner have those side effects. The relic saved Nick's life but likely didn't bring him back to life. Meisner was dead to it would have to bring him back. What would that mean?
So I started thinking of this. Nick is like super sticked at this point...what would happen to someone if they exchanged blood with Nick (think HIV type exchange) or a emergency blood transfusion (i.e. someone is bleeding out and Nick just happens to be a universal donor (see footnote #1)).
And if that is true, what about other body fluids(see footnote #2)? So that could open up other possibilities. For example if it could be inadvertently transferred via sex, then...what? Personality shifts and what else?
Things that make you go Hmmmmmm...
Izod
Footnote(s):
#1 Yes, I am aware that O negative is no longer considered THE universal blood donor type. But it is till considered acceptable in life threatening situations.
#2 In some cultures the male emitting fluid is thought to contain the essence of a man's chi/Ki/Prana (internal power) and can actually be transferred from one person to another. And some cultures maintain it is necessary for good health for men and women to balance each other via sexual intercourse.
RE: hmmm...what if (the stick) - syscrash - 09-17-2016
If you are saying because Nick was cured with the stick, now his blood has healing powers. Wouldn't that say that you could inject someone with Juliette's blood and make them a hexenbiest. We have seen wesen in the hospital, and their blood is no different then anyone else. So why would you think that blood from someone that used the stick is any different. Wu is an interesting example. Because hiks condition is the result of an infection. You should be able to see the infection in the blood. I also wonder if you take wesen blood while woged is it different from when not woged.
RE: hmmm...what if (the stick) - Kathryn Wooten - 09-17-2016
Nick could heal Wu with the stick because he has an infection
RE: hmmm...what if (the stick) - syscrash - 09-17-2016
Being able to heal Wu with the stick does make sense.
RE: hmmm...what if (the stick) - izzy - 09-17-2016
(09-17-2016, 04:46 PM)syscrash Wrote: If you are saying because Nick was cured with the stick, now his blood has healing powers. Wouldn't that say that you could inject someone with Juliette's blood and make them a hexenbiest. We have seen wesen in the hospital, and their blood is no different then anyone else. So why would you think that blood from someone that used the stick is any different. Wu is an interesting example. Because hiks condition is the result of an infection. You should be able to see the infection in the blood. I also wonder if you take wesen blood while woged is it different from when not woged.
Well I wasn't saying that, so much as bringing it up for debate.
And the reason for the thought is because in the case of Nick his wounds were so pervasive (Monroe's were localized) that his entire body (internal organs - everything) has to be inundated with whatever the power is of the stick. And as mentioned several cultures believe a man can transfer his power from one individual to another (part of why some American Indians ate the heart and liver of their enemies (see footnote #1)).
Footnote(s)
#1 This was not limited to American Indians, for example one famous mountain man, the one the Jeremiah Johnson movie was very loosely based on, did the same thing to the Indians he killed. In his case it started out as survival and then became psychological propaganda tool as he carried out his guerrilla war.
However it had a dual purpose. he was fighting the Crow and they believed you need your liver in the afterlife, and so what he did was a terrifying and egregious insult. And add to that the fact he was also supposedly getting stronger with each brave he killed. given he was a huge man (6'2 or so and 260-280 lean pounds) it is not hard to imagine the Crow thinking he was growing physically large too. It must have given him a huge psychological edge in combat.
RE: hmmm...what if (the stick) - FaceInTheCrowd - 09-18-2016
If the scenario you suggest were to happen, the result would be Torchwood: Miracle Day, except that it would require a whole lot of pornographic episodes to spread the effect worldwide.
RE: hmmm...what if (the stick) - brandon - 09-20-2016
It could be what Jesus resurrected?maybe its side effects reside in how long it was in contact
RE: hmmm...what if (the stick) - irukandji - 09-20-2016
(09-17-2016, 03:20 PM)izzy Wrote: In another thread the ever interesting jsgrimm45 writes;
(09-17-2016, 12:15 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: The relic is to have side effects so could Trubel or Eve using it on Meisner have those side effects. The relic saved Nick's life but likely didn't bring him back to life. Meisner was dead to it would have to bring him back. What would that mean?
So I started thinking of this. Nick is like super sticked at this point...what would happen to someone if they exchanged blood with Nick (think HIV type exchange) or a emergency blood transfusion (i.e. someone is bleeding out and Nick just happens to be a universal donor (see footnote #1)).
And if that is true, what about other body fluids(see footnote #2)? So that could open up other possibilities. For example if it could be inadvertently transferred via sex, then...what? Personality shifts and what else?
Things that make you go Hmmmmmm...
Izod
Footnote(s):
#1 Yes, I am aware that O negative is no longer considered THE universal blood donor type. But it is till considered acceptable in life threatening situations.
#2 In some cultures the male emitting fluid is thought to contain the essence of a man's chi/Ki/Prana (internal power) and can actually be transferred from one person to another. And some cultures maintain it is necessary for good health for men and women to balance each other via sexual intercourse.
I really like tough questions like these. After some thought, I actually can see this from a couple of different angles.
I've stated before that I don't see the stick as a religious artifact. For one thing, I just don't see Nick as special enough to be wielding a religious artifact. That said, it's not plausible to me Nick could heal himself with the stick. I also don't recall anything in my background to support that the recipient of a miracle could pass on those miraculous traits to a partner or subsequent generation.
From a fantasy perspective, absolutely. Vampires can pass on their undead qualities to a partner or victim. And speaking of vampires, there apparently is a cultural basis to this belief. Not long ago, I watched a program where the grave of a so called vampire was unearthed. The body was not impaled with a wooden stake, but a metal farm implement, which I think was a shovel. It's a mystery as to what this man did to be mutilated, but it was a fascinating program just the same.
Grimm, in my opinion, is really uneven and/or vague with regard to the processes in regard to physical changes in Grimms and hexenbiests. For instance, hexenbiests mate with other hexenbiests and produce little hexenbiests. Yet Grimm would have us believe that a Grimm's blood can displace a hexenbiest.
Then, with little to no explanation, Juliette becomes a hexenbiest, even though she does not possess the genetics of a person who can house a hexenbiest. Even more convoluted, Nick's blood cannot remove her hexenbiest blood even though he's a Grimm because of a spell.
So could Nick pass on weird of strange characteristics he got from being healed by the stick? The odds are 50/50 in my opinion because Grimm is so uneven with the characteristics of Grimms and hexenbiest.
I know this probably wasn't what you were looking for, izzy. I just thought I would throw some thoughts out there for discussion. Good topic, btw.
RE: hmmm...what if (the stick) - izzy - 09-20-2016
(09-20-2016, 02:53 PM)irukandji Wrote: I really like tough questions like these. After some thought, I actually can see this from a couple of different angles.
Like you, I like the suppositions more than the actual show. I think the forum dialogues are far more intriguing than most of the writing on the show.
(09-20-2016, 02:53 PM)irukandji Wrote: Grimm, in my opinion, is really uneven and/or vague with regard to the processes in regard to physical changes in Grimms and hexenbiests. For instance, hexenbiests mate with other hexenbiests and produce little hexenbiests. Yet Grimm would have us believe that a Grimm's blood can displace a hexenbiest.
Then, with little to no explanation, Juliette becomes a hexenbiest, even though she does not possess the genetics of a person who can house a hexenbiest. Even more convoluted, Nick's blood cannot remove her hexenbiest blood even though he's a Grimm because of a spell.
Sort of glad you brought this up. Blood...uh, to the best of my knowledge that type of exchange can rather routinely occur during robust love making. So Nick and Adalind or Juliette...???? I don't know, maybe the younger generation is different in how all that works. I won't elaborate, but, well I am not sure how they do it, it is obvious they don't use protection...
To your point, I agree, the rules of whatever aspect of GRIMM seem very fluid and simply plot driven.
As yet another rambling aside, the famous progenitor of all Sword & Sorcery fantasy, Robert E. Howard, wrote an actual private guide to the imaginary civilizations and ages his characters were in, in order to keep a level of consistency. Louis L'Amour ended up doing an analogous thing with some of his serials, notably the Sacketts, Chantrys, and Talons. It seems to me with a series like this it would have been a prerequisite.
(09-20-2016, 02:53 PM)irukandji Wrote: I know this probably wasn't what you were looking for, izzy. I just thought I would throw some thoughts out there for discussion. Good topic, btw.
No,it is exactly what I was looking for. I was trying to provoke substantive conversation. Thank you.
RE: hmmm...what if (the stick) - irukandji - 09-21-2016
(09-20-2016, 07:32 PM)izzy Wrote: Sort of glad you brought this up. Blood...uh, to the best of my knowledge that type of exchange can rather routinely occur during robust love making. So Nick and Adalind or Juliette...???? I don't know, maybe the younger generation is different in how all that works. I won't elaborate, but, well I am not sure how they do it, it is obvious they don't use protection...
When Adalind cast the spell on Nick to remove his Grimm powers, do you think blood/bodily fluids played a part in the removal of his powers? Or, did Adalind use another means to remove his powers and sex was just a tool used to cover the fact she was casting a spell?