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RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - Purity - 03-16-2017
Baby Kelly is all Adalind and Nick. Nothing to do with Juliette.
(03-16-2017, 01:35 AM)Scully1987 Wrote: Then I would rather go with the idea that Nick and Trubel are half siblings. That doesn't seem to be so strange after all.
This quote though, are you saying this is possible or not possible?
Because it can always be countered with really good theoretical logic that it can be possible they are both siblings, not half siblings, but some gene fractions of them actualy being siblings.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - MarylikesGrimm - 03-16-2017
(03-16-2017, 01:35 AM)Scully1987 Wrote: That's just ridiculous why the heck should Nick and Sean be brothers?
Some of you have really funny ideas. Then I would rather go with the idea that Nick and Trubel are half siblings. That doesn't seem to be so strange after all.
And by the way the idea with Kelly, Juliette and Adalind is not absurd at all. On other social media would be discussed about this subject already.
We know almost nothing about Nick's dad. Nick's dad might not have been the person in the car since it was so burned they could not identify the women. Since Nick's family has less backstory than many other cast members characters IMO his is easier to change except for Trubel.
IMO it is clear from the show Juliette/Eve and Adalind two different people with two different back stories.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - Scully1987 - 03-16-2017
I'm not sure if it possible or not. I just say it would be more believable to put Nick and Trubel as siblings - as Nick and Sean.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - syscrash - 03-16-2017
Using your reasoning conception should have been impossible. Eve becoming Sean and having sex with Rachael proves the transformation is more then just a glamour. You can not have sex as a male unless you have the reproduction physiology of a male. That means when Adalind became Juliette she would have had Juliette reproductive physiology. Take when Nick changed back from Sean. Learning against the counter he had a bruise on his forehead from the fight. when he changed back to Nick no bruise. Also when he came into the spice shop he was sore from the fight. back as Nick he was no longer sore. if injuries do not transfer over. How could conception transfer over.
Actually this is giving the writers to much credit. They did not think it though that far. As far as the story goes Adalind sleep with Nick now she has his child. They never intended to come up with a logical explanation. Because of that if they wanted to change it to Juliette child or even half Adalind and half Juliette's child, they could. Simply because they wrote in the body swap.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - MarylikesGrimm - 03-16-2017
(03-16-2017, 02:14 AM)syscrash Wrote: Using your reasoning conception should have been impossible. Eve becoming Sean and having sex with Rachael proves the transformation is more then just a glamour. You can not have sex as a male unless you have the reproduction physiology of a male. That means when Adalind became Juliette she would have had Juliette reproductive physiology. Take when Nick changed back from Sean. Learning against the counter he had a bruise on his forehead from the fight. when he changed back to Nick no bruise. Also when he came into the spice shop he was sore from the fight. back as Nick he was no longer sore. if injuries do not transfer over. How could conception transfer over.Once the body/baby swap idea is there in that way other characters might not have the parents they think they have too. It is not like this spell was only Adalind 's. It seems to be well known in the beist world.
Actually this is giving the writers to much credit. They did not think it though that far. As far as the story goes Adalind sleep with Nick now she has his child. They never intended to come up with a logical explanation. Because of that if they wanted to change it to Juliette child or even half Adalind and half Juliette's child, they could. Simply because they wrote in the body swap.
Rosalee thought it was not possible using this spell to switch moms and told that to Juliette.
http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/The_Grimm_Who_Stole_Christmas/Transcript
Rosalee: Are you possibly pregnant?
Juliette: I don't think so.
Rosalee: Have you tested yourself?
Juliette: No, but I-well... oh, my God.
Rosalee: What?
Juliette: What if I got pregnant when I was Adalind? Can that happen? Is that possible?
Rosalee: You weren't really Adalind.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - irukandji - 03-16-2017
(03-16-2017, 02:14 AM)syscrash Wrote: if injuries do not transfer over. How could conception transfer over.
Actually this is giving the writers to much credit. They did not think it though that far.
Right. Everything Adalind did to make herself into Juliette was a spell. So if she got pregnant while she was Juliette, the beanie baby should have dissolved once she morphed back into Adalind.
The only scenario that really works with this is that Adalind was pregnant before she ever slept with Nick. That being the case, there's no way it could be Nick's baby.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - MarylikesGrimm - 03-16-2017
(03-16-2017, 04:24 AM)irukandji Wrote:(03-16-2017, 02:14 AM)syscrash Wrote: if injuries do not transfer over. How could conception transfer over.
Actually this is giving the writers to much credit. They did not think it though that far.
Right. Everything Adalind did to make herself into Juliette was a spell. So if she got pregnant while she was Juliette, the beanie baby should have dissolved once she morphed back into Adalind.
The only scenario that really works with this is that Adalind was pregnant before she ever slept with Nick. That being the case, there's no way it could be Nick's baby.
Nick's sperm did not dissolve and conception took place long after the spell was over so the baby is Nick's. The clothes did not change.
Do you believe that Adalind got pregnant without a man?
Adalind, Ken, Sean and the king thought the baby was not Sean's.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - irukandji - 03-16-2017
You're missing the whole point. She got pregnant with a completely different body. Once she morphed back into Adalind, that body no longer existed. That includes the unfertilized egg and sperm you're talking about. The baby cannot be Nick's.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - MarylikesGrimm - 03-16-2017
(03-16-2017, 04:57 AM)irukandji Wrote: You're missing the whole point. She got pregnant with a completely different body. Once she morphed back into Adalind, that body no longer existed. That includes the unfertilized egg and sperm you're talking about. The baby cannot be Nick's.
Adalind body is the one with unfertilized egg later. Sperm can live up to 7 days. Their clothes did not disappear so why would the sperm?
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - syscrash - 03-16-2017
Quote:Nick's sperm did not dissolve and conception took place long after the spell was over so the baby is Nick's. The clothes did not change.You are missing the point. If the transformation changes everything in the body. even to the point where a bruise is none existent. Why would it not also make the sperm none existent.
Do you believe that Adalind got pregnant without a man?
Adalind, Ken, Sean and the king thought the baby was not Sean's.
This is why I theorized some form of magic could have been involved. You have to consider Eve gets hurt Adalind feels it. That sets prescience for Juliette sleep with Nick as Adalind and Adalind gets pregnant. Juliette even ask could she have gotten pregnant while she was Adalind. Rosale said she was not Adalind so no. But that does not mean Adalind could not have gotten pregnant. Like is said before that would make the time line fit better for why Adalind did not know she was pregnant till henretta told her. If Adalind conceived when she sleep with Nick as Juliette. wouldn't her missing her period have caused her concern.