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RE: They jumped the shark... - rpmaluki - 04-01-2017
(04-01-2017, 08:59 AM)syscrash Wrote: You may think it is sweet but it does not work that way. Dads are possessive just like mothers are. having your child call another man dad has a way of making you feel you are not seen as the father. Especially if the mother is with someone else. Take my wife but you will never take my child.Sean's involvement in the wesen community has never been the same as Nick's involvement. Sean is a wesen, it's Nick's job to "police" wesen. Had he chose, Nick could have gone the traditional route of being a wesen executioner like most of his ancestors, in order to maintain order in the world. Nick chose to work with wesen, he's not working under them apart from his cop/hobby, no longer his actual day job.
I do not see why people thank Sean is not involved in wesen affairs. From the moment Sean decided to give Nick the key back he put himself in the middle of wesen affairs. Does he go int he field, no. but he coordinates each case and figures how it needs to be handled so there will not be any problems.
That is why when Diana says mom and dad are waiting. It sounded like they need to check in. and get instructions. If it was Nick they would have meet at the trailer looked at the books and figured out what to do. Sean never figured out how to do it. He just wanted to know what they where going to do or what they did.
RE: They jumped the shark... - brandon - 04-01-2017
Sean saw what happened to Rachel,so you can not get angry that guys usually copy what parents do and talking too.
RE: They jumped the shark... - wfmyers1207 - 04-01-2017
(04-01-2017, 07:50 AM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote: so really they left you guessing about Diana's phrase..Mom and Dad are waiting for us
If I am not mistake Nick would been in his 50's, Renard looked like early 40's so he would been between late 50's early 60's, Adalind early 50's unless Sean or Nick died on a line of duty the phrase was out of place ....Diana IMO Is more mature and would calledl Sean dad..kind've childish to call him daddy in her 20's..I started calling my daddy... dad when I was in Jr High
@KW, why does this baffle you?
It was obvious from that scene that Kelly and Diana had been raised in the Grimm tradition. Doubt Renard would have done that. Also Renard was hardly ever the type to be "Dad" really. That was Nick.It's pretty obvious that Nick and Adalind did most of the child rearing for Kelly and Diana and that they are BOTH "grimms", in a manner of speaking.
So, when grown Diana spoke of Mom and Dad, she spoke of Adalind and Nick. I'm sure she calls Renard Dad as well, when she visits him a couple of times a year!
RE: They jumped the shark... - rpmaluki - 04-01-2017
I think it's more than a couple of times a year.
RE: They jumped the shark... - FaceInTheCrowd - 04-01-2017
Unless sometime in the next 20 years "King Viktor" makes enough of an ass of himself that Sean decides it's time for him to go. By the time of the epilogue, Diana may be taking occasional trips to Austria to visit her father the king as "Princess Diana."
RE: They jumped the shark... - Mrtrick - 04-01-2017
(04-01-2017, 08:59 AM)syscrash Wrote: You may think it is sweet but it does not work that way. Dads are possessive just like mothers are. having your child call another man dad has a way of making you feel you are not seen as the father. Especially if the mother is with someone else. Take my wife but you will never take my child.
I do not see why people thank Sean is not involved in wesen affairs. From the moment Sean decided to give Nick the key back he put himself in the middle of wesen affairs. Does he go int he field, no. but he coordinates each case and figures how it needs to be handled so there will not be any problems.
That is why when Diana says mom and dad are waiting. It sounded like they need to check in. and get instructions. If it was Nick they would have meet at the trailer looked at the books and figured out what to do. Sean never figured out how to do it. He just wanted to know what they where going to do or what they did.
It's not really about whether Sean is possessive or not. If Diana calls Nick Dad, it's about her feelings, which is what would be important to both father figures in her life. It's been twenty years, so I like to think they've been at this Dad stuff long enough to mature past that kind of pettiness. Especially for Diana's sake.
When it comes to Renard's involvement in Grimm business, if he's still Captain or maybe even mayor, I'm certain he contributes where applicable. But the tradition and legacy doesn't belong to him. It's something Nick has carried on and evolved with his family. Even though Kelly is the actual Grimm, Nick clearly raised Diana to be part of that heritage as well. Being older than Kelly, she was probably out in the field with Nick, learning the trade, long before this. It must have been important to him that both children would feel that the family business was a part of them. It would be important to her to. Since both Diana and Nick were the only ones to remember what happened in the previous reality, it would foster a connection between them. One that would grow over the years. And none of this would sully Diana's relationship with her Dad. Unless Sean falls into old habits, they'll always have a strong bond. But at it's core, Grimm is Nick's story. That final scene is about his legacy, which will belong to the two children that he loves.
RE: They jumped the shark... - rpmaluki - 04-01-2017
Yes. There's so much story left untold. That epilogue, honestly the rest of the reason wasn't enough to satisfy.
RE: They jumped the shark... - Kathryn Wooten - 04-01-2017
(04-01-2017, 10:08 AM)wfmyers1207 Wrote:(04-01-2017, 07:50 AM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote: so really they left you guessing about Diana's phrase..Mom and Dad are waiting for us
If I am not mistake Nick would been in his 50's, Renard looked like early 40's so he would been between late 50's early 60's, Adalind early 50's unless Sean or Nick died on a line of duty the phrase was out of place ....Diana IMO Is more mature and would calledl Sean dad..kind've childish to call him daddy in her 20's..I started calling my daddy... dad when I was in Jr High
@KW, why does this baffle you?
It's pretty obvious that Nick and Adalind did most of the child rearing for Kelly and Diana and that they are BOTH "grimms", in a manner of speaking.
So, when grown Diana spoke of Mom and Dad, she spoke of Adalind and Nick. I'm sure she calls Renard Dad as well, when she visits him a couple of times a year!
I seriously doubt Renard was a bystander and let his daughter be raisew without him by Nick
RE: They jumped the shark... - rpmaluki - 04-01-2017
(04-01-2017, 12:09 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote:I don't think he was/is a bystander in Diana's life.(04-01-2017, 10:08 AM)wfmyers1207 Wrote:(04-01-2017, 07:50 AM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote: so really they left you guessing about Diana's phrase..Mom and Dad are waiting for us
If I am not mistake Nick would been in his 50's, Renard looked like early 40's so he would been between late 50's early 60's, Adalind early 50's unless Sean or Nick died on a line of duty the phrase was out of place ....Diana IMO Is more mature and would calledl Sean dad..kind've childish to call him daddy in her 20's..I started calling my daddy... dad when I was in Jr High
@KW, why does this baffle you?
It's pretty obvious that Nick and Adalind did most of the child rearing for Kelly and Diana and that they are BOTH "grimms", in a manner of speaking.
So, when grown Diana spoke of Mom and Dad, she spoke of Adalind and Nick. I'm sure she calls Renard Dad as well, when she visits him a couple of times a year!
I seriously doubt Renard was a bystander and let his daughter be raisew without him by Nick
RE: They jumped the shark... - MANTItotheCore - 04-01-2017
(04-01-2017, 09:16 AM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: In families where exes are involved, if moms and dads want things to work out, they do whatever helps the kids feel comfortable. If Diana tells Adalind that that Nick's mom was her "other Mommy," even though Kelly Burkhardt ran off with her daughter, Adalind will smile and say, "yes, honey, she was." If Kelly starts calling Sean "Uncle Sean," Nick won't object. And if Diana one day smiles and tells Sean, "now that Mommy and Nick are married Nick is my other Daddy," Sean will smile and say, "that's great." He may not actually like it, but he'll keep that to himself. Especially if he wants to gain acceptance from the extended scooby family.
Agree completely!
(04-01-2017, 09:24 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: In agents of Shield, when it was discovered the director lied about his "credentials", the former director took back the position privately while the other guy remained the "face" of the organisation to the public without having any real authority. However, the former director didn't strip him completely of his power. So the fake director can still give orders even though he's truly second in the pecking order,that can be overridden without question. the relationship between the two directors is almost the same as the relationship between Nick and Renard.
Sean is a figurehead, he's a person in authority but when it comes to Grimm/wesen relations, Nick has the true authority on what to do. Whether it's to kill, or arrest. Sean's authority stretches only as far as running a police precinct and making sure everything's above board. He's not Nick's boss outside of the precinct. Nick doesn't take grimm/wesen related orders from him. Sean almost always follows Nick's direction by making sure nobody suspects what's actually happening in Portland. They work together as allies and that's it. Nick is full fledge grimm, being a cop is now a cover, a facade he wears to hide his real job, where before he was more of a cop and less a grimm.
I agree, as well. It was interesting to see the partnerships in the beginning become a Nick dictatorship in the end. The entire gang did exactly what Nick said. With the exception of the other Grimm, Trubel, who objected in the end, for good reason.