(02-26-2016, 12:59 PM)syscrash Wrote: we saw the map and two keys are missing from completing the picture. Even they group commented on the picture not be complete. but having enough to figure out where to go. But Wu made a point there is no x marks the spot. The black forest is a big place to search.
You are correct, The map is clearly missing the panes from 2 keys. They've an idea where to look, but need the 2 extra keys to get in.
Let me examine what happened after the 7 Knights made the 7 keys. one for each royal house. They let it be known that whoever possessed the treasure would have world domination. The consequences of that remark were profound. wesen spent the following 400 years trying to wipe each other out before a wesen council was established that put an end to that war.
The 7 royal house each believed they should have a key and that none of the other houses should. That stopped the royals from working together. After 600 years of attacking Grimms for their keys, the Grimms finally left royal service.
The show's already done Sleeping Beauty - Juliette in season 2. I doubt a different version of the theme.
The 7 keys probably need to be entered into the locks simultaneously. That we know of only 2 Nick and Monroe. So who would make up the other 5? I'll go with not-Juliette from Nick's dream in the pilot. Diana. Stephania, sent out by the royals to recover Diana. Elizabeth with perhaps the one genuine key the royals have. One other. I'm going with a Grimm from the Knights Hospitallers -Knights of St John or the Knights of Malta Perhaps the one Trubel met in Malta.
Renard 's cautionary tale of one who betrayed the other 6, will be in Nick's mind. not-Juliette is certainly powerful enough to destroy the treasure to stop Nick getting it, if it wasn't destroyed all those centuries ago. A whole coven of the most powerful hexenbiests would have been needed to make the locks not-Juliette resistant. Nick will take the full force of the explosion and wake up in Monroe's mum and dad's house a couple of weeks later.
@Hexenadler we know nothing about Reed Burkhardt other than he was Nick's father and died in the car crash that was supposed to have killed his mother. His mother was looking for the traitor who set her up. Start with the obvious suspect.
02-26-2016, 06:25 PM (This post was last modified: 02-27-2016, 07:37 AM by speakeasy.)
(02-26-2016, 05:58 PM)syscrash Wrote: I wonder if Reed was like Juliette and keep in the dark that Kelly was a Grimm.
He may have been, think Kelly sent him out on the supposed errand of taking her friend to the airport, but that was a ruse to get them out of harm's way. I have always wondered if Kelly's friend, Gina Serafini, who was killed in the crash with Reed, had any Grimm connections.
Kelly's would-be killers were four Schakals, one was Soledad Marquesa (sp), two others, and the last was Akira Kimura, they were after the Coins of Zakynthos when they tried to kill Kelly when Nick was 12 years old. Marquesa and two others were killed in Portland, where they were still after the Coins. Kelly tracked Kimura to Portland where she intended to kill him in revenge. But Kimura was poisoned at Renard's orders while in his jail cell. Point of interest: Kimura was a member of the Dragon's Tongue connected to the Japanese Royal family at the time of his death, he also was still looking for the Coins. I'm certain the Imperial family is one of the seven Royal families. No factual data; just a feeling.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
I really don't understand why when Kelly should up she did not have a long talk with Nick. telling him the history of what happened with her family why she sent him to live with her sister. Give him information on being a Grimm. Nick acts like what he does is a special case. He has never accepted that as an active Grimm his life will be one danger after another for him and anyone around him. Even now Nick thinks moving to the bunker will keep them safe. Unless they never plan to leave. Knowing Nick makes them a target. How many time has Monroe been threatened because he knows Nick. Even his telling Adalind he thought he left the danger behind, when Trubel showed up.
At least Adalind knows what she is up against because Nick is a Grimm.
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I really don't understand why when Kelly should up she did not have a long talk with Nick. telling him the history of what happened with her family why she sent him to live with her sister. Give him information on being a Grimm. Nick acts like what he does is a special case. He has never accepted that as an active Grimm his life will be one danger after another for him and anyone around him. Even now Nick thinks moving to the bunker will keep them safe. Unless they never plan to leave. Knowing Nick makes them a target. How many time has Monroe been threatened because he knows Nick. Even his telling Adalind he thought he left the danger behind, when Trubel showed up.
At least Adalind knows what she is up against because Nick is a Grimm.
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This is drama and these writers don't tell all their stories at once. They try keep some secrets to make the viewers want to keep watching .
Kelly dos tell Nick why she sent him to live with Aunt Marie. It was because she had the coins in her possessions. She was the keeper of the coins , that was why they killed her husband and friend.
As we all know Nick is very naive when it comes to being a Grimm. It is because he was never taught by an actual Grimm. Kelly also told she can't stay in the same town is he because she might put him in danger . She also left to destroy the coins so that no one can ever get them . Don't forget he guy who murdered Nick's father was part of an organization that will come after them because they are Grimm , Coins and the Key.
There were a lot of reasons she could not stay but she couldn't tell him all that info in one episode. That would take a lot of season for her to teach her so about Grimms
And don't forget Kelly and sister were both taught about Grimms.
We don't know why Nick became a Grimm at such an advanced age compared to his mother and aunt; except Kelly said women usually became aware of their status before men. But I challenge statements that suggest she didn't fill him in when she did show up at the beginning of Season Two. Imo, she told him quite a bit about his heritage and about the facts surrounding his 'loss' of his parents when he was twelve.
It seems logical to me that Nick would react just the way he did to being hurled into the world of Grimms and Wesen when he already had established a life of so-called normalcy into his early thirties. He had no childhood training for being a Grimm - so he carved out his own identity, using his inner direction to guide him. Inner direction is another term to describe the things a person interprets through his experiences, which form an individual's world view; in other words, his character. I happen to think Nick is a very good man; like Renard said, he has a conscience. Reality is perception.
One good thing came of Nick's unorthodox introduction into what will probably remain his core identity for the rest of his life. That was since he didn't have the examples in his mom and aunt to instruct him into the conventional Grimm philosophy (the only good wesen is a dead wesen), he was open to giving Monroe the benefit of the doubt, which led to the hopeful result that these two types could really get along.
His entire world as a Grimm is centered around wesen; he couldn't escape that if he wanted to. He also has a firm foot in the world of Kerhesiete, from life-long experience, why would he want to leave that behind. He has the unique opportunity to bridge the gap between the two worlds and build on the possibility of bringing about a new understanding between old adversaries that leads to the 'live and let live' goal most of us believe in.
I'm saying he's being criticized for living his life where he is; one fraught with danger, but where he can best serve. His associates are involved in it also; and they accept the conditions it imposes. Imo, it's unreasonable to expect him to isolate himself, his success depends on the help of his friends and allies. Btw, baby Kelly's best chance at survival is being in the protection of his parents right now, in my view.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
If a recall correctly Kelly said she was 10 when her grandfather dumped her and her sister in front of an angry wesen. Kill or be killed. Grimm's do isolate themselves. It's the strain of seeing what they see and knowing what they know that makes relationships difficult. Kelly's leaving Nick with Marie ruined her relationship with the wesen Farley Holt.May have been one of the reasons she left him there. Aunt Marie told Nick to leave Juliette and never see her again. She also told him to hunt down the bad wesen. She should really have told him to hunt down wesen. Living with a wesen had changed her. Those words chimed with his training as a cop and let him form friendships with Monroe and then other wesen.
02-27-2016, 08:00 AM (This post was last modified: 02-27-2016, 08:04 AM by jsgrimm45.)
(02-27-2016, 07:20 AM)tscchope Wrote: If a recall correctly Kelly said she was 10 when her grandfather dumped her and her sister in front of an angry wesen. Kill or be killed. Grimm's do isolate themselves. It's the strain of seeing what they see and knowing what they know that makes relationships difficult. Kelly's leaving Nick with Marie ruined her relationship with the wesen Farley Holt.May have been one of the reasons she left him there. Aunt Marie told Nick to leave Juliette and never see her again. She also told him to hunt down the bad wesen. She should really have told him to hunt down wesen. Living with a wesen had changed her. Those words chimed with his training as a cop and let him form friendships with Monroe and then other wesen.
I have and idea that Farley Holt was the leak that got Nick's dad killed. Kelly said she was looking for the one who betrayed them. As Marie isn't around now we may never know unless the keys link someway to the coins.
(02-27-2016, 06:17 AM)speakeasy Wrote: We don't know why Nick became a Grimm at such an advanced age compared to his mother and aunt; except Kelly said women usually became aware of their status before men. But I challenge statements that suggest she didn't fill him in when she did show up at the beginning of Season Two. Imo, she told him quite a bit about his heritage and about the facts surrounding his 'loss' of his parents when he was twelve.
It seems logical to me that Nick would react just the way he did to being hurled into the world of Grimms and Wesen when he already had established a life of so-called normalcy into his early thirties. He had no childhood training for being a Grimm - so he carved out his own identity, using his inner direction to guide him. Inner direction is another term to describe the things a person interprets through his experiences, which form an individual's world view; in other words, his character. I happen to think Nick is a very good man; like Renard said, he has a conscience. Reality is perception.
One good thing came of Nick's unorthodox introduction into what will probably remain his core identity for the rest of his life. That was since he didn't have the examples in his mom and aunt to instruct him into the conventional Grimm philosophy (the only good wesen is a dead wesen), he was open to giving Monroe the benefit of the doubt, which led to the hopeful result that these two types could really get along.
His entire world as a Grimm is centered around wesen; he couldn't escape that if he wanted to. He also has a firm foot in the world of Kerhesiete, from life-long experience, why would he want to leave that behind. He has the unique opportunity to bridge the gap between the two worlds and build on the possibility of bringing about a new understanding between old adversaries that leads to the 'live and let live' goal most of us believe in.
I'm saying he's being criticized for living his life where he is; one fraught with danger, but where he can best serve. His associates are involved in it also; and they accept the conditions it imposes. Imo, it's unreasonable to expect him to isolate himself, his success depends on the help of his friends and allies. Btw, baby Kelly's best chance at survival is being in the protection of his parents right now, in my view.
The writer's may have set this up for the keys the fact that a Grimm and a wesen can work together. Think about the fact that the royals used Grimm's to control the wesen knight why not also that some made wesen friends. So when they hide the items they set a watch on the items the watch could be wesen, waiting to help only a Grimm with a wesen friend find the last two keys. IMO
02-27-2016, 08:19 AM (This post was last modified: 02-27-2016, 08:36 AM by speakeasy.)
(02-27-2016, 07:20 AM)tscchope Wrote: If a recall correctly Kelly said she was 10 when her grandfather dumped her and her sister in front of an angry wesen. Kill or be killed. Grimm's do isolate themselves. It's the strain of seeing what they see and knowing what they know that makes relationships difficult. Kelly's leaving Nick with Marie ruined her relationship with the wesen Farley Holt.May have been one of the reasons she left him there. Aunt Marie told Nick to leave Juliette and never see her again. She also told him to hunt down the bad wesen. She should really have told him to hunt down wesen. Living with a wesen had changed her. Those words chimed with his training as a cop and let him form friendships with Monroe and then other wesen.
Think it was Kelly and Marie's father who dumped the girls into a confrontation with the angry wesen. Perfect example of the old way of Grimm thinking, yes. A Grimm's entire mission historically has been to hunt down bad wesen. Presumably that means to not go after all wesen, but confine the mission to bad wesen only, I used a poor example on that. But think it was made quite clear that Kelly disapproved of Nick being friends with wesen. I still believe both of the women were old-school in their general approach to their work. Aunt Marie had a fighting reputation as a Grimm, but I do see the start of an awareness of all peoples having equal rights to life in Aunt Marie's falling in love with a wesen.
But Nick didn't know that at the beginning; he learned of it from Farley Kolt during the middle of the first season (don't think it was from Aunt Marie, although she did warn him to leave Juliette) - to me it was his inherent sense of acceptance of the differences in people that marked him as a new kind of Grimm. This actual world is slowly and painfully coming to that acceptance as well, so that makes Nick a man of his times, I believe.
You accurately state that Grimms have isolated themselves with good reason in the past, when intolerance against merging of the two groups was prevalent. I'm saying that Nick's milieu allows for more acceptance to change. I'm saying he's living in a transitional time. And his way of living a Grimm's life is an example of progress, not backsliding. That includes having vital connections to others in order to promote a more peaceable future. No more isolation.
(02-27-2016, 08:00 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: I have and idea that Farley Holt was the leak that got Nick's dad killed. Kelly said she was looking for the one who betrayed them. As Marie isn't around now we may never know unless the keys link someway to the coins.
I hope you're wrong on that one. Farley Kolt seems to have a sense of honor, to me; an attribute of the Steinadler.
(02-27-2016, 08:00 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: The writer's may have set this up for the keys the fact that a Grimm and a wesen can work together. Think about the fact that the royals used Grimm's to control the wesen knight why not also that some made wesen friends. So when they hide the items they set a watch on the items the watch could be wesen, waiting to help only a Grimm with a wesen friend find the last two keys. IMO
I'm not certain about your references to the last two missing keys. Seems to me you may have been suggesting that those last two keys were people. Now I'm not sure that was what you meant. Don't think there were any wesen Knights, maybe there were. Please clarify, thanks.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".