06-26-2015, 01:35 PM
(06-26-2015, 12:24 PM)irukandji Wrote: The way I understood the scene, Nick was puzzled about the effect he had on wesen. In short, he didn't know what he did to make them act the way they did. Monroe explained that the wesen see their true nature in the eyes of a Grimm. He could have easily told Nick they see a clown car with 16 clowns getting out of it for all of the effect it had on Nick.
For all of the times Monroe has woged in front of Nick, he's never mentioned if he has seen his true nature or what he sees in Nick's eyes. Nick is the first Grimm he's ever encountered. So is what he's relating to Nick true or is it some old wives' tale? It's been said some of this could have been passed down to wesen to scare them, like the boogey man.
I understand your point here. But that is when especulating over a TV show gets fun. At the same time it gets wierd. I had a debate once about this here in the forum.
The problem with your argue is that the show is not real life. All the plot is controlled by a group of writers that has control of the things happening in the show. And the only "maybe trustfull" source of info we have is the show itself and the info inside the show passed by the writers.
This way, when the writers put Monroe saiyng that "wesen see their true nature in the eyes of a Grimm" we have only two options:
- Believe it, since the writers gave no other better answer for Nick's efects over wesen...
- Or consider that writers simply doesn't know what they are doing and just was thhrowing things away. If you ask me to bet 2 cents, this would be my bet.
The problem with the second assumption is that this makes everything possible and nothing is for sure because this way the writers can go all the time in one direction and suddenly, in the last moment, twist everything and give any answer they want, logical or not. Ok... even with the answer they can do this... but it will create inconscitencies in the show.
Talking about real life, I think the writers had no idea of how wesen recognize Nick as grimm until they decided to give this explanation in the Monroes word. So, I believe that since them we must considere this explanation as true ... at least until the writers gave a new answer for question.
What I mean is that I undestand your argue... But as far as the writers didn't give us a new theory, this is the only one we have, witch means that this is the theory the writers should be working with, if they are not intentind to twist everything.
(06-26-2015, 12:24 PM)irukandji Wrote: Then there's Juliette. When she woged and dared Nick to kiss her, there was no sudden revelation from her, like, "oh, I see what Monroe means", or a reaction that causes her to quickly revert back to her human self because she couldn't stand looking into his eyes. I was actually waiting for that and was rather disappointed when nothing happened. On her end that is.
I have the some feelling. How come didn't Juliette saw in Nick's eyes what Monroe said?
Explanation 1: Trying to safe the writers, Juliette knew Nick was a grimm and knew what she would see... So, she saw but didn't got scared. And as she was testing Nick, she tried to not demonstrate any reaction.
Explanation 2: Also trying to safe the writers, Juliette hexanbiest was already in Juliette's control and this way no reaction.
Explanation 3: This my 2 cents bet: The writers simply forget about Monroes talk with Nick. witch means an inconsistence in the plot. In this case, the inconsistencies will always exists manly because for a lot of reasons the writers need (or want) to change the way of the story. And when they do that, they hope we just don't realize this happened and forget about it. And if we see the inconscitence, they hope us to accept it.. or try by ourselves to close the gaps... Acttually, this is exactly what we are trying to do in this debate.... Close the gaps in Juliette's plot since the writers leave many questions with no answers.
(06-26-2015, 12:24 PM)irukandji Wrote: There have been discussions that Juliette could not be turned back into a human because of some Grimm blood already flowing in her veins. If that is the case, is it possible that Juliette wouldn't see her true self in Nick's eyes? Is it also possible that Nick saw his *true* nature in hers and that's what grossed him out? This could also tie in with him becoming more darker and dangerous in the coming year. There was the scene in the spice shop where Juliette said she liked being a hexenbiest and Nick said something like "we don't". Is it possible he doesn't like Juliette's hexenbiest because what he sees in her eyes is the truth? I can't say, but I can see it that way.
See my explanation 3 above... You are just trying to close the gaps the writeres leaved open. In this point, you have a very good job. All the questions you have made are good questions. All the points you wrote make sense.
(06-26-2015, 12:24 PM)irukandji Wrote: However, I like the idea that Nick is all about the external because he's proved just how shallow he can be. For example, when he makes the remark about being able to 'cheat' legally with Adalind in front of Juliette. Really, Nick? Scumbag.
In this point I prefer to believe Nick sees the inside view. For 3 reasons:
1- This the official explanation the writers have gave us until now. As I have already argued above.
2- This make the theories more interesting, in my point of view... Because we have to analise the psycology of the characteres. Seeing the inside make the characters deeper and more complex and more fun.
For exemple:
If Nick is shallow as you said, there isn't much to analise. Nick doesn't deserve Juliette and that is the end.... And Juliette, in the end, went down the same level as Nick.
But if Nick is more complex then that as I prefer to see.... (the same aplied to Juliette).... We can analise how all the happenings afected Nick (and Juliete) and what they could have done differently... how new elements would change things.... Like... if Nick saw Juliette's inside... would really be possible for him to love her? When Juliette laught at Nick's face... maybe, she was having a better view of the situation then Nick...
Complex characters force us to see no right and no worng in them... But look for reasons... all of them have their reasons... Finding them is the funny work here.
I mean, complex characteres gave us more rich debate. That is my opinion.
3- Now I will be selfish... I like the Nick seeing the inside of Juliette because it fits better in our theory of Juliette seeing Nick as a threat. If Nick was shallow, Juliette could simply go away...Nick would predictable... Complex Nick makes Nick unpredictable... so, a complex and smart Juliette hexanbiest would not go away and leave a possible enemy behind. Again, the debate got more interesting... In my opinion... Open new possibilities as we try to enter in the characters mind...
But we must always remeber:
The show is not real life. All the plot is controlled by a group of writers that has control of the things happening in the show. Witch means the writers can make anything they want, everything is possible and nothing is for sure. The writers can start season 5 with Nick sleeping at Juliette's side after the reverse loose grimm spell and realize that all the rest was a nightmare. The writeres would destroy the show doing this... But they can do it, if they want.