04-18-2018, 10:50 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-18-2018, 11:04 PM by dicappatore.)
(04-18-2018, 09:13 PM)irukandji Wrote: What you seem to forget is that Nick had plenty of backup when Juliette came into the precinct. Adalind's life was in no danger and Nick didn't believe it either. If he had, he would have accepted Wu's help when Wu asked if there was a problem. Instead he and I am paraphrasing here, indicated there was no problem. Aside from that, there was a crowd gathered. Nothing was going to happen.
But that's not my point. Nick could have easily gotten Adalind safely out of the area and chosen Juliette. He did not. He chose Adalind.
Quote:Nick wanted to work thing out, just because he would not kiss her or sleep in the same bed is not cheating.
Really? Exactly when did Nick try to "work things out"? Was it when he made it plain he didn't want to kiss her or when he slept on the couch downstairs?
BTW, I never said that was cheating. I never said it equated to screwing Sean either.
Quote: If you are claiming they were on a break, then why is Juliette complaining to Nick that he is choosing Adalind and not her. Did Nick choose Adalind at the house when she voged or did nick just prevented Juliette from getting arrested again. How is this Nick cheating? How is Nick choosing Adalind over Juliette when Juliette moved out?
She wasn't complaining, she made an observation. And if you recall, it was Kenneth who stated that despite what Juliette did, she was still loyal to Nick. Not that she was in love with him, but that *she was still loyal to him*
Quote: You want to have the discussion, then rebuff my examples with specific rebuttals instead of vague statements. This is why I can not have an intelligent discussion with you. Look at your replies.
You don't want intelligent discussions. Look at your replies. Go ahead, tell me how mature and passionate you are about debating. Then take a look at your own house. Inserting youtube websites and insulting remarks don't prove you are interested in an intelligent and serious debate.
If you are going to use the same standards on both characters, just do it instead of skirting the issue. be specific. Prove me wrong. Are you actually still claiming that when Nick was fighting with Adalind and stuck his tongue in her mouth so she would bite him and loose her Hex was cheating? instead of saving Hank's life? And if it was a kiss, was it the same as her having sex with Sean?
So, lets recap. (compare) Juliette:
1) Juliette keeps secrets from Nick that she became a hex after they both agreed to no more secrets.
2) She finally discloses her Hex and insists on being kissed while voge.
3) That evening she leaves the house for good.
4) Sleeps in her car then moves in with Sean.
5) She then screws Sean and gets kicked out.
6) Ends up in jail for bar brawl
7) spends a week or two in jail
8) Gets bailed out by Ken.
9) Juliette confront Nick and Adalind in the police station
Nick:
1) He refuses to kiss Juliette in voge state.
2) Goes out for a walk to think things over.
3) He gets called out on an investigation and gets back home late.
4) Sleeps on the couch, just like he did for weeks when she refused him to sleep in the bed with her for a whole season 2.
5) Next day he tries to get additional info from Henrietta and it is a dead end.
6) Confronts Juliette before she leaves for good that he wants to work things out. She was able to accept and understand him, now it was his turn to understand and accept her.
7) Is confronted by Juliette at the police station just after he finds out Adalind is pregnant with his baby.
This is at best I can recap of what led to that confrontation in the police precinct. Looking at that list of both of them. Whom mistreated whom worse. She might have moved out but like you said, she was still loyal to Nick.
I am not a woman, So I can only relate to being loyal as a man but if I walked out on my wife, and screwed her bitch of a boss 3 days later, I don't think she would accept that as being loyal.
If you have a partner would they accept you being loyal to them if you did what Juliette did? If your partner did whats listed under Nick, would you walk out on him forever and do what Juliette did?
(04-18-2018, 09:13 PM)irukandji Wrote: But that's not my point. Nick could have easily gotten Adalind safely out of the area and chosen Juliette. He did not. He chose Adalind.How could he. She was standing only feet in front of them with her back facing the entrance/exit. I am sure there were other exits but she was standing right in front of them. How can he easily gotten Adalind out and still choose Juliette. If Wu had taken her out by a back entrance, what differences would it have made to Juliette, Wu was a scooby.
Quote:Really? Exactly when did Nick try to "work things out"? Was it when he made it plain he didn't want to kiss her or when he slept on the couch downstairs?
He never had a chance to work things out. She left the house right after he came back from Henrietta and she stopped taking his calls. Hard to work things out when the other partner is not involved into a conversation.
Quote:She wasn't complaining, she made an observation. And if you recall, it was Kenneth who stated that despite what Juliette did, she was still loyal to Nick. Not that she was in love with him, but that *she was still loyal to him*
Well here is a big in-pass. We seem to have different interpretations of what is a threat and what is an observation. We also define what loyalty is differently. She might not be in love with Nick but a loyal ex wouldn't go screw her ex boss, especially if he was responsible for most, if not all of what the persecution he put them through as a couple for a few years. As I recall, most of what Adalind did to both of them was a result of what Sean was orchestrating. Like I said, we see "loyalty" differently.
Quote:According to you, you are never wrong, right?
Nope, when I am wrong, I don't argue, I agree. As for my insults and "YouTube" replies, was my responses for You, not admitting your postings of incomplete scenes or opinions converted to facts. You might not see that as insulting but I do. Especially when time consumed for research then confronted with the facts and You, not admitting to the mistake.
I will refuse to go back on the many threads to look for them, but i think you know what I mean. For instance. Did you post on one thread that you enjoyed the show's musical score while doing housework? Hard to see what is all going on the screen when you weren't watching.
Quote:Are you telling me that when Nick was formulating this plan, he didn't think about what it'd be like to overpower Adalind and kiss her? Really, after he was ogling her when she walked by? If Nick was so repulsed, as you claim, why wasn't he seeking Rosalee's help in another delivery method?
Quote:And what would have happened had Adalind just kissed Nick back? Hank would have been dead, right?
Hank was on his death bed. Look at the episode again. There wasn't a whole lot of time to go and discuss this with Rosalee. He took a gamble and she fell for it. Be honest. Do you really think he went there to make out with Adalind, cheat on Juliette and save Hank at the same time?
Quote:Juliette wasn't cheating when she had sex with Sean. She wasn't even living at the house.
1st, If some of you can compare what Nick did to take away Adalind's hex as cheating, I can call what she did with Sean as cheating also and here is why. If she was on a break with Nick, Why was she questioning Nick to choose her over Adalind.
She did move out but she had sex with Sean for revenge, and in my world "revenge sex" is cheating. If it wasn't it would just be another casual sex session. And to add to that, in my world of morality, when she had sex with Ken, she was , not only prostituting her self for Hex services to the Royals, she was also prostituting herself to Ken for sex and the additional "revenge sex', since according to you, thats the bed Nick refused to sleep in after he knew she was a Hex.
As we can all recall, Nick was sleeping with her for weeks before she divulged she was a Hex This is another good reason that Nick wouldn't refuse to sleep in the same bed with her. He just did not sleep in the bed that night because he came home late, hew did not want to wake her up and they were in a fight, and crashed on the couch. Three great reasons for not going in bed and I can relate to.
I've crashed on the couch plenty of time for a few different reasons. I used to be on call and get home real late and wouldn't go to bed and wake up the wife. She had to get up early too for work and I respected her enough as to not to disturb her beauty sleep. other times I would just crash from watching TV if I didn't come home too late. And yes, sometimes after we had an argument. some men do that, some women expect it.
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