12-16-2017, 08:12 AM
And that's what I'm saying. There was no one else around for Adalind but Nick and she was content with the situation being that way.
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12-16-2017, 08:12 AM
And that's what I'm saying. There was no one else around for Adalind but Nick and she was content with the situation being that way.
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irukandji, I tend to agree, but think it’s a little more complicated than that. In seasons three and four, Adalind gradually confronted her self-made demon and spit in it’s eye because she was determined that her past wouldn’t rule her and her children’s future. But her ongoing character evolution stagnated once she became the central character’s love interest in S5.
G & K dropped Adalind’s evolution of a mother aggressively protecting her children in S3 & S4 for the bad girl saved by the love of a good man in S5. And that narrow characterization pigeonholed Nick’s and Adalind’s evolution. The Nick/Adalind story pretty much played out inside the loft. Neither had aspirations they pursued outside their agreed parenting partnership until it was time to disrupt their ‘relationship’ for the season finale. Juliette as Eve wasn’t a viable option for Nick. Even after becoming a Juliette-Eve hybrid in S6, the character wasn’t interested in returning to a relationship with Nick. Adalind was so afraid of anything that might disrupt her attempts to have a real relationship with Nick that she would have snubbed Jesus as a possible option. So yea, Adalind’s options were Nick and protected or alone and unprotected, but I think G & K purposely constructed a simple and direct path to their Nick/Adalind endgame, utilizing Nick’s struggle to reconcile his feelings for Adalind with their volatile past as the only complication in reaching that conclusion. And considering their histories as adversaries and individual woes, that simple direct path felt rather one-note. But I don’t think G & K were necessarily aiming for one-note, just an approach that was easy for them to write and kept Nick as the central character focus. Henry, no doubt Renard was cruel and disrespectful to Adalind. However, until S5 Adalind didn’t respect herself or demand respect from others. Renard showed Adalind respect after their interaction at the BC house, after she had demonstrated that she wasn’t intimidated by him or in need of his approval. So while Renard is responsible for being a bad person, Adalind is responsible for allowing him, or anyone, to treat her badly.
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(12-16-2017, 09:42 AM)Robyn Wrote: irukandji, I tend to agree, but think it’s a little more complicated than that. In seasons three and four, Adalind gradually confronted her self-made demon and spit in it’s eye because she was determined that her past wouldn’t rule her and her children’s future. I would say that she acknowledged her demon more than confronting it, Robyn. To me, that acknowledgement came late in season 4, and it came when she offered the suppression potion to Nick. I'm not criticizing her for that, but when she decided to suppress her biest rather than to look for a way of destroying it, that told me she was content with living with it, perhaps for future use. This was a good post and gave me some pause to think because I have been under the illusion that, finally, Adalind resolved herself to be a good mother to her children. But yet, what exactly did she do to demonstrate they came first? She didn't prepare any type of living conditions for either of them. Instead, she relied upon Nick and even Renard for that. Even when it came to relationships, Nick was the only option for her because Adalind never really set the terms for her own life.
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12-16-2017, 10:27 AM
Hi Forum,
Adalind chose Nick and rejected Prince Sean. Would Lane have been another possibility? From 5.03, "Lost Boys": Quote:Scene: Adalind leaves a store with Kelly.I like Adalind's opening line to Kelly. N G
12-16-2017, 11:08 AM
(12-16-2017, 08:12 AM)eric Wrote: Together for 20 years? In Hollywood and other parts of this country, being together for more than 5 years is considered unusual enough to merit a headline. Adeline became a lawyer, Nick apparently kept his good paying day job. If neither partner is economically dependent on the other, there are many things that will cause a breakup--religion, politics, ethnic differences, etc. Once lust loses its glow, and you REALLY get to know someone, only love can carry you through hard times. Both of their parents were killed by relatives or friends of the other, that would be a really high hurdle. Both had been betrayed by those who "loved" them, so trust would have to be earned by both. IMO deep strong love would be required, and they seemed to have it. Eric, Excellent post couldn’t agree more
12-16-2017, 01:25 PM
(12-16-2017, 08:12 AM)eric Wrote: Together for 20 years? In Hollywood and other parts of this country, being together for more than 5 years is considered unusual enough to merit a headline. Adeline became a lawyer, Nick apparently kept his good paying day job. If neither partner is economically dependent on the other, there are many things that will cause a breakup--religion, politics, ethnic differences, etc. Once lust loses its glow, and you REALLY get to know someone, only love can carry you through hard times. Both of their parents were killed by relatives or friends of the other, that would be a really high hurdle. Both had been betrayed by those who "loved" them, so trust would have to be earned by both. IMO deep strong love would be required, and they seemed to have it.Nick and Adalind already knew the absolute worst about each other. Them hooking up alone is amazing in itself considering their history. It's like the only thing they had left to do was to fall in love. With the kind of baggage they had to overcome I don't doubt that the love between them is very deep and abiding, 20 years and still going. It probably helps that it's the furthest thing from conventional. And they're each born into a hidden world that doesn't require just one person bend over backwards just to accommodate the other, that commonality and their desire for family stability sure can't hurt either. Renard had a four year head start to have Adalind's heart forever but he wasn't interested and I agree with @Robyn regarding Adalind's self respect. For years she had very little of it and therefore someone like Renard used her accordingly but I have to add that even if Adalind respected herself, Renard wouldn't have been worth the effort. Adalind would have known from the get go that he wasn't one for meaningful relationships and she would have cut her losses before things got too far. Adalind was loyal to a fault to someone that was on her side. It's started with Renard, then Erik and later Nick. Nick may have taken her in and protected and provided for her at the beginning of S5 largely because she was the mother of his son but by the end of the show, Nick's feelings for Adalind were for her as a person and not an appendage to his son. Nick and Adalind are the very definition of the sentiment that it's not about how you start but rather how you finish that matters.
12-16-2017, 02:16 PM
(12-16-2017, 08:12 AM)eric Wrote: Together for 20 years? In Hollywood and other parts of this country, being together for more than 5 years is considered unusual enough to merit a headline. Adeline became a lawyer, Nick apparently kept his good paying day job. If neither partner is economically dependent on the other, there are many things that will cause a breakup--religion, politics, ethnic differences, etc. Once lust loses its glow, and you REALLY get to know someone, only love can carry you through hard times. Both of their parents were killed by relatives or friends of the other, that would be a really high hurdle. Both had been betrayed by those who "loved" them, so trust would have to be earned by both. IMO deep strong love would be required, and they seemed to have it. WOW, a rational thinker. Well WTF would I know, I am only married 41+ years!
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(12-16-2017, 02:16 PM)dicappatore Wrote:Congrads to you and your better half. We have been together 40, married 39. Hung together thru some really bad sh#t, seen friends and family quit for a lot less. Been a long and winding road.(12-16-2017, 08:12 AM)eric Wrote: Together for 20 years? In Hollywood and other parts of this country, being together for more than 5 years is considered unusual enough to merit a headline. Adeline became a lawyer, Nick apparently kept his good paying day job. If neither partner is economically dependent on the other, there are many things that will cause a breakup--religion, politics, ethnic differences, etc. Once lust loses its glow, and you REALLY get to know someone, only love can carry you through hard times. Both of their parents were killed by relatives or friends of the other, that would be a really high hurdle. Both had been betrayed by those who "loved" them, so trust would have to be earned by both. IMO deep strong love would be required, and they seemed to have it.
12-17-2017, 08:04 AM
(12-16-2017, 10:22 AM)irukandji Wrote:The demon was intended as metaphorical rather than actual. Adalind’s obsession with being a Hexenbiest again is the only reason she became a mother. Bonding with the child, realizing what it meant to love unconditionally replaced her obsession to be a Hexenbiest with a passion to nurture and protect her child. It wasn’t the Hexenbiest that caused Adalind’s many woes, but her belief that the Hexenbiest defined her, enabled her to be what she believed, and was taught, she should be.(12-16-2017, 09:42 AM)Robyn Wrote: irukandji, I tend to agree, but think it’s a little more complicated than that. In seasons three and four, Adalind gradually confronted her self-made demon and spit in it’s eye because she was determined that her past wouldn’t rule her and her children’s future. I see her initial approach to Nick a little differently. I don’t think her offer to Nick or testing the suppressant on herself had anything to do with Adalind wanting to rid herself of the Hexenbiest or help Nick & Juliette. The offer was presented as a straightforward trade - protection for her & the unborn child in exchange for suppressing Juliette’s Hexenbiest. Through the end of S4, Adalind’s storyline was mostly independent of Nick’s, and was mostly about her and told from her point of view. Her evolution was as fast tracked and chaotic as her dire circumstances, but it was plausible and predictable based on her overall storyline. I don’t think S5 was intended to present Adalind’s desire to mother her children as less than what the two prior seasons indicated. I think G & K moved the character from her S3 & S4 determined mother role into a S5 Nick’s love interest role, and weren’t concerned with the contractions created in Adalind’s, and Nick’s for that matter, overall story. So while I agree that Adalind didn’t make any attempt to set the terms of her own life or her children’s, there’s not much a character can do when the majority of their story is played out within the confines of a two-room loft and for the most part only interacting with one other character. I have received a lot of flack over this, but I still believe Nick/Adalind too closely resembled Renard/Adalind. And for me anyway, Nick being the object of Adalind’s fixation doesn’t make her behavior any less retrofitted. With Renard, Adalind ignored his lack of affection and worked harder and harder to be what he wanted, do whatever would please him. Despite their flirty and sometimes playful interaction, once Adalind confessed she loved Nick and they had sex, Nick turned an about-face, becoming visibly distant and distrusting. And as she did with Renard, Adalind ignored Nick’s behavior and worked harder to be what she thought would make him happy and make him want to be with her. As with beauty love is in the eye of the beholder, and for me, that’s not love, that’s fixation and desperation. The character evolution Adalind underwent during S3 & S4 would have helped her realize she couldn’t convince Nick to love her, nor should she have to. But Adalind’s previous evolution was set aside because it didn’t fit the simple and direct path to G & K’s Nick/Adalind endgame. But the same can be said about Juliette’s storyline and evolution being stunted and sidetracked to fit within a central character focused story. It what reality would an emotionally detached, laser focused solider threaten to come for Adalind, or anyone, if they hurt Nick? G & K’s original plan for Eve to confront Nick that his commitment to family interfered with his obligation to HW fit Eve’s characterization. What aired was forced to fit a central character focused storyline. Even Meisner’s S5 side story and the Wesen uprising season arc were compromised to fit within a WoW format. But these storylines ultimately had little to do with the characters who were simply plopped down on their marks as the story required.
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12-17-2017, 08:29 AM
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Robyn, The difference is unlike Renard Nick actually cared about Adalind Renard didn’t give a toss about her. Yes Nick was slower at falling for Adalind than she was him but she had done a lot more harm to him the he had her so I find that pretty reasonable. I think you tend to forget Robyn all the things Nick had to get past in order to be with Adalind. The most wrong Nick had ever done on Adalind was be involved in Diania’s kidnapping along with Diania’s father.
Her relationship with Nick was nothing like her relationship with Renard I don’t recall Nick shagging her mother or trying to have her murderd like Renard did to Adalind. I don’t reacll Nick telling Adalind how stupid and useless she was how she was nothing but a pretty face. Renard bullied Adalind and her mother he shattered there self esteem and the Pair of them chasing him around like a pair of lost puppies craving attention. Renard manipulated Adalind into being his honey trap for Hank and then dumped her when the plan didn’t work out as expected. I don’t recall Renard telling her he loves her or how crazy he was going without her I don’t recall Renard saying what a wonderful mother she was. |
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